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leuthedog

  • Posts: 79
staff advice
« on: April 12, 2006, 12:13:21 pm »
As I stated yesterday, when I introduced myself a little, I am a cleaner and not a manager of a cleaning company or anything relating to ownership of a company, though I'm sure I'm as welcome here as everyone else. Its good to see what is happening in other cleaning companies and the advice being offered.....but now I am in need of your advice.

I currently work with two young ladies. We work two hours a night cleaning some site offices. There is no supervisor on site, in fact there is no one from the cleaning company to report to unless we contact them via the telephone and rarely do we see anyone from the company. Any cleaning products we need we notify the 'site' that we clean and they supply the 'goods'.

We've been working together for over a month, we all started the job at the same time since the previous cleaners left stating it was too much for them. We all get on well but the younger one appears to be there for some other purpose other than cleaning and myself and my work colleague do not know how to deal with the situation.

When we first started we simply mucked in together. The younger girl (who I shall call Liz) often arrives late - 5 minutes - rarely on time. It also appears that myself and work colleague carry Liz, rarely does she simply muck in and often needs telling as to what needs doing. Liz often makes comments about wanting to go home or simply having aches and pains. She'll often start a task and then leaves it only to be completed by either myself or colleague. We have tried all we can to help her yet it doesn't help when she has had no previous cleaning experience before. I could go on about her mobile phone usage whilst working and other issues but it'd be far too long.

Within our first week Liz enquired as to whether she could get the sack for being pregnant. Since myself and colleague have little knowledge about employment law, simple commonsense told us that she couldn't which we stated to her. We thought nothing more about it until a day or so after when Liz told us that she was pregnant. This triggered thoughts in my mind, as it did my colleague when we heard the news. Liz simply stated it as fact rather than sharing some happy news. We tried to congratulate her but it was difficult because it felt like a pretence.

Days have gone by and she'll often make comments about her pregnancy. Sometimes it would appear to be sudden statements as if to let those around her, in the site office, hear about it. Obviously with this news we don't treat her any differently and she still is made to mop the floors and scrub the toilets as we do. My work colleague has believed for sometime that Liz had known she was pregnant before starting this job, I to have come to this conclusion and its odd that we're both having the same thoughts/assumptions even before discussing them with each other. Something just doesn't appear right with Liz.

Last week Liz told my 'colleague' that she tried taking her previous employer to court accusing them of sacking her because she was pregnant. We both still don't know the full facts other than this statement. She does have a baby of 18 months and hasn't worked since the birth of her daughter until now.

Obviously hearing this news we both have decided that she may be up to her same tricks again, perhaps hoping to gain compensation from our employer. She certainly has no interest in her work so we're clearly concerned. The company we work for is fairly new, though over a year old it clearly has a lot to learn. Myself and work colleague are also conerned for our jobs since this company could not survive this form of issue/situation.

How should we deal with this situation? Should we approach our boss and warn him of what we have been told. We're also unhappy that we're having to 'carry' Liz and it'll get worst when her pregnancy develops further.

What do we do?

With the risk of waffling further, I hope this isn't too long and its in the correct place for advice.

Re: staff advice
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2006, 01:13:04 pm »
...How should we deal with this situation? Should we approach our boss and warn him of what we have been told. We're also unhappy that we're having to 'carry' Liz and it'll get worst when her pregnancy develops further.

What do we do?...

Seems to me that Liz would love to be axed now while she is pregnant, is she not just asking for it!  I think you should put in writing what ever you heard from her and what ever you think she about her as of a worker who is a member your team then pass to your boss, just to keep him informed. 

However, as an employer should not suffer a material loss (unless its a large company) if one of employees become pregnant, you should mention it to her and she may stop dreaming of being sucked and winning a claim against your boss.

Regards,
Arthur

leuthedog

  • Posts: 79
Re: staff advice
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2006, 03:27:05 pm »
Thanks for your advice Arthur, much appreciated.

My concern still is that; she will not pull her weight and muck in properly, her lateness, no matter how small, is still regular and myself and my colleague - I believe - hope that she would be dismissed but since her revelation and now her claim about her previous attempt will she simply continue to use, not only us, but our employer in the knowledge that she has left us in a no win situation.

Is it going to be a case that we'll have to continue to carry her during our employment through worry, since if she is dismissed then she'll simply start legal proceedings in the attempt to claim it was due to her pregnancy that she was forced to leave. She could also claim that we gave no concern to her pregnancy and still had her doing work that, really, she should not have be doing? The fact is, even at this early stage she is behaving as if certain tasks should not be required of her such as cleaning the urinals..............gloves supplied. I think that is more down to her nature then down to her pregnancy.

I simply don't understand why my employer took her on when she had no previous experience within the cleaning industry. It certainly has made it so difficult for us and we feel it is very unfair.

We do aim, obviously, to notify our employer but thought I'd pose the question here first. I just hope he takes it seriously and deals with it.


Re: staff advice
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2006, 03:38:04 pm »
...I think you should put in writing what ever you heard from her and what ever you think she about her as of a worker who is a member your team then pass to your boss, just to keep him informed...

If you do this  ::) first, then see how your boss would respond to this.  My personal view is if she is not up to the job she can be dismissed regardless pregnancy, but legal advice MUST be sought and correct procedure MUST be followed. 

What is interesting is how your boss would respond to your concerns.

leuthedog

  • Posts: 79
Re: staff advice
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2006, 03:57:09 pm »
Thanks again Arthur, I will certainly notify my employer but would rather deal with this directly rather than through a letter. I'm hoping he'll be visiting sometime this week - though this sounds familiar!

I will let you know how it all goes.


Phoenix

Re: staff advice
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2006, 04:05:37 pm »
Hi,

As you stated, there is no supervisor or chargehand on site, you are not being paid to take on this type of pressure. My advice, tell your boss you want a meeting soonest and briefly let him know whats going on, and if he was any good he'd be down to see you without delay.

Regards

graham

Paul Kettless

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Re: staff advice
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2006, 06:01:17 pm »
Im with Graham on this one, this should not be your problem, as all three cleaners are just that, cleaners. (no offence intended ;))  Your concern should only be that she is not pulling her weight, irrespective of the reasons, and that you and your colleague are not happy to carry her anymore.

Obviously you can tell the boss what you know, and warn him/her of what you think that she may be up to, thats it, the rest is up to your employer. 

I would also take this opportunity to comment to your employer that you would like to have a little bit more regular contact with them.  Tell them that you are happy working on your own initiative, but you would like a way of discussing issues, as this would have obviously helped resolve this problem for you earlier.

Hope all works out for you.

Kind regards
Paul
 

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Re: staff advice
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2006, 10:54:39 pm »
... this should not be your problem, as all three cleaners are just that, cleaners...

I am afraid my suggestion could have been misunderstood.  My advice was to contact the employer regarding this matter, however if employer had written statement about one of its worker from other employers it would make dealing with the matter much simpler and easier.

Regards,
Arthur

leuthedog

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Re: staff advice
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2006, 11:16:49 pm »
I must thank you all for your advice. I will obviously notify my employer, in fact I was in contact with him this evening - he in fact won't be visiting this week due to problems with a supervisor leaving....walking out someplace else.

He has pretty much suggested that he'll visit sometime next week. Hopefully I will be able to discuss these issues with him then - though as I stated previously this is something I feel should only be discussed/mentioned directly then over a telephone.

All of you have helped, and I realise that these issues are not our problem but my colleague and I enjoy the work very much - which is strange since it can be a very mucky place to clean on a wet day - we all know about building sites....I assume. We really don't want to lose our jobs if things were to get out of hand, let alone create problems for all three of us if Liz wa to be kept on.

Anyway, enough of the waffle from me. Thanks again and I'll let you know what happens - hopefully by the end of next week.


Re: staff advice
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2006, 12:00:26 am »
Free advice on employment matters can be obtained from here: http://www.acas.org.uk/
Regards,
Arthur