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Kev Martin

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Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« on: October 20, 2014, 10:00:14 pm »
I hope this post clears things a litte!

There have been a few posts on here in recent weeks regarding alkaline cleaners.  Whilst in a way some of the information is correct most of it is not.  I realise for some members it must be very confusing and appear to be a "Tit for Tat thing" and to combat this I will now be introducing Colloid Cleaning Science into one of the modules on my courses in the future so that delegates can make their own minds up.  The facts are:

"All Stone, Tile, Grout and Fixing materials are Alkaline."

So how statements can be made that Alkalines damage them is beyond me!  Provided alkaline cleaner is used in the correct dilutions and rinsed properly, it is a safe way to clean stone, grout and tile.  Clearly it is better to use a pH neutral where possible but heavy soiling often requires an alkaline product.  Miracle as well as many other manufacturers make a variety of cleaners from ph neutral routine, to alkaline heavy degreases. Most are designed for safe use on any stone or tile surface.  Miracle have for some time had products that clean in a way that introduces no alkaline or acid but simply makes molecules small enough to penetrate deep enough to allow mechanical cleaning.  The subject is vast and I am happy to talk anyone through it who needs or wants a better understanding.

I hope this post helps people to understand a little more!

Kev Martin
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
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chris scott

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2014, 10:02:39 pm »
"  I am happy to talk anyone through it who needs or wants a better understanding." .... Go for it i'm listening.


"clearly it is better to use a Ph neutral cleaner where possible"...why?


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Mike Halliday

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2014, 07:07:34 am »
"All Stone, Tile, Grout and Fixing materials are Alkaline."

Are they ? Surely they have no actual Ph as they contain no moisture so cannot be an acid or alkaline. If you  were to apply distilled water to a stone floor and agitate it would it still not give a neutral Ph reading?
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Kev Martin

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2014, 10:43:15 am »
"  I am happy to talk anyone through it who needs or wants a better understanding." .... Go for it i'm listening.


"clearly it is better to use a Ph neutral cleaner where possible"...why?




Chris

Call me and I will talk it through with you!

Kevin
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
www.tilinglogistics.co.uk | www.marblelife.co.uk  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Tiling-Logistics

chris scott

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2014, 01:43:21 pm »
I want to share my educational experience with other forum users..let's do it on here.

 Lesson 1
 Yoda talk me through "Clearly it is better to use a pH neutral where possible"...why?
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Kev Martin

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2014, 07:32:22 am »
I want to share my educational experience with other forum users..lclarificat it on here.

 Lesson 1
 Yoda talk me through "Clearly it is better to use a pH neutral where possible"...why?

One day you will grow up and start contributing useful posts! I want to help people on this Forum. I have given you the option to ring me if you need clarification. You are like a petulant child and moreover you even believe your clever.  The sad fact is your not and you are actually driving people away.

Kevin
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
www.tilinglogistics.co.uk | www.marblelife.co.uk  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Tiling-Logistics

chris scott

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2014, 07:42:29 am »
Yoda....are you there?
You have two unanswered questions from pupils....both valid I believe.
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chris scott

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2014, 07:02:49 am »
Kevin
Is this thread not working/visible your end? Try turning your PC off and back on again ...sometimes that helps.
 
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Kev Martin

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2014, 09:27:09 am »
Quote:


The carbon dioxide in the water  turns into carbonic acid when mixed with the calcium (Would this be Alkaline I wonder?) in the stone.


Who said this??? ???

All preventable by visiting

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chris scott

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2014, 05:35:49 pm »
Quote:


The carbon dioxide in the water  turns into carbonic acid when mixed with the calcium (Would this be Alkaline I wonder?) in the stone.


Who said this??? ???

All preventable by visiting

http://miraclesealants.co.uk

Me I said that  ;D
 ...I went to www.miraclesealants .co.uk and the cill is still decaying.
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Kev Martin

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2014, 06:20:10 pm »
Quote:


The carbon dioxide in the water  turns into carbonic acid when mixed with the calcium (Would this be Alkaline I wonder?) in the stone.


Who said this??? ???

All preventable by visiting

http://miraclesealants.co.uk

Me I said that  ;D
 ...I went to www.miraclesealants .co.uk and the cill is still decaying.

Well then seal it with Miracle 511 Porous Plus and it won't be anymore ;D
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
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Smudger

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2014, 09:08:40 pm »
Kev,

What's the best email to get you on, got some blue slate with cement on - need to know which products etc.. Have some pics cheers darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Kev Martin

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2014, 08:37:40 am »
Kev,

What's the best email to get you on, got some blue slate with cement on - need to know which products etc.. Have some pics cheers darran

No problem Email is

tilinglogistics@hotmail.com or ring me on 07770598855

Kev
"Natural Stone Restoration Specialists" Tel: 0121 773 9129
www.tilinglogistics.co.uk | www.marblelife.co.uk  http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Tiling-Logistics

Smudger

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Re: Statement - Clarity regarding Alkaline
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2014, 08:55:15 pm »
Cheers Kev,

Been out all day with the kids will email tomorrow

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience