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Soupy

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Unger hydropower
« on: September 09, 2014, 02:44:04 pm »
Anyone used one?

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Smudger

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2014, 03:50:36 pm »
Got a link ?

What's it's supposed to do ?

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Window Lickers

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2014, 04:24:55 pm »
Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin  :o  :o  :o

A manufactured rip-ff.
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Smudger

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2014, 04:39:29 pm »
Is it for resin, looks like a aquarium filtration pump :-\

Darran
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Soupy

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2014, 06:36:31 pm »
http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/unger-hydropower.html

It's a resin vessel.

Selling points:

Diffuser for the water - prevents channelling and apparently increases resin life 30%
Quick release.

Obvious downsides:

It's expensive.
Resin comes in a stupid looking sock.
It's made by Unger
Hoselock fittings.
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Soupy

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2014, 06:47:11 pm »
Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin  :o  :o  :o

A manufactured rip-ff.

Going to have a look at the stupid sock thing, probably be able to fill it with Tulison mb-115
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Stephen Fox

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2014, 09:55:21 pm »
Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin  :o  :o  :o

A manufactured rip-ff.

Window Licker, these are proving very popular, they are the first DI tank made for window cleaners whether you think over-manufactured = design I don't know. The sacks are easily refillable with the resin of choice. Unger are moving forward in great leaps concerning water fed products, they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole and more to come. Embrace the change!! ;)

Smudger

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2014, 09:58:45 pm »
Says the salesman selling ice cubes to eskimo's


Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Window Lickers

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2014, 10:13:25 pm »
Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin  :o  :o  :o

A manufactured rip-ff.



Window Licker, these are proving very popular, they are the first DI tank made for window cleaners whether you think over-manufactured = design I don't know. The sacks are easily refillable with the resin of choice. Unger are moving forward in great leaps concerning water fed products, they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole and more to come. Embrace the change!! ;)


Im sure they are proving very popular. Theres plenty of mugs about in all honesty. Its just a plastic moulded cannister though isnt it with a bit of gumf, pretty packaging and a ribbon to smarten its appearance. Probably costs about 20 squid to put together.

I was down at our local van WFP installer a couple of years ago (Im in Basingstoke, so use your noddle and you'll know who). They were in the middle of flogging a system to a couple (looked like man and wife) who obviously hadnt had the good fortune of thinking of using online forums to widen their knowledge. In all honesty they were well and truly shafted pricewise for what they got. I wouldve been ashamed to have taken their money at the rates those salesmen were pulling the wool over their eyes. Here's an example of their charges - £300 for a split charge relay (which they justified by saying it was half a days work for an auto-electrician - which is utter codswallop) Im sure the couple looked pleased as punch with their shiny new boxes, switches, poles and reels when thy got them - ignorant unfortunately to their foolishness.

In reality theres probably 20 shiners out there for every shiner that frequents this place and other online forums. It only takes a slightly rusty salesman to start making clap trap promises about this that and the other thats needed so punters can go out of their local suppliers and rake in £50 an hour. Its easy takings lets face it. You may not sell many to the guys on here but theres plenty of mugs out there.

Which is why theyre proving popular.
Liberace's ex looking to meet well built men for cottaging meets.

rosskesava

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2014, 10:23:26 pm »
How Unger tested the 30% more efficiency was not in the way you'd think.

They froze a normal DI and cut sections through it and measured the level of impurities in the resin. They then did the same for their own new DI.

I wonder why they did such a complex test when the way to test one against the other is obvious?

They also never said what make and what size DI their own DI was tested against. I wonder why?

Also, 30% more efficient than what exactly?


My opinion, 'embrace the change', yeah sure, and spend more money at the same time just to end up with a fancy looking plastic box that has, wait for it, quick release connectors fitted. Wow.
Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

Window Lickers

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2014, 10:24:29 pm »
they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole

Because everyones been shafted with it.
Liberace's ex looking to meet well built men for cottaging meets.

rosskesava

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2014, 10:39:02 pm »
they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole

Because everyones been shafted with it.

 ;D ;D ;D
Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

KS Cleaning

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2014, 10:43:00 pm »
Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin  :o  :o  :o

A manufactured rip-ff.



Window Licker, these are proving very popular, they are the first DI tank made for window cleaners whether you think over-manufactured = design I don't know. The sacks are easily refillable with the resin of choice. Unger are moving forward in great leaps concerning water fed products, they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole and more to come. Embrace the change!! ;)


Im sure they are proving very popular. Theres plenty of mugs about in all honesty. Its just a plastic moulded cannister though isnt it with a bit of gumf, pretty packaging and a ribbon to smarten its appearance. Probably costs about 20 squid to put together.

I was down at our local van WFP installer a couple of years ago (Im in Basingstoke, so use your noddle and you'll know who). They were in the middle of flogging a system to a couple (looked like man and wife) who obviously hadnt had the good fortune of thinking of using online forums to widen their knowledge. In all honesty they were well and truly shafted pricewise for what they got. I wouldve been ashamed to have taken their money at the rates those salesmen were pulling the wool over their eyes. Here's an example of their charges - £300 for a split charge relay (which they justified by saying it was half a days work for an auto-electrician - which is utter codswallop) Im sure the couple looked pleased as punch with their shiny new boxes, switches, poles and reels when thy got them - ignorant unfortunately to their foolishness.

In reality theres probably 20 shiners out there for every shiner that frequents this place and other online forums. It only takes a slightly rusty salesman to start making clap trap promises about this that and the other thats needed so punters can go out of their local suppliers and rake in £50 an hour. Its easy takings lets face it. You may not sell many to the guys on here but theres plenty of mugs out there.

Which is why theyre proving popular.
Would that be the husband & wife team who were in the Ionics catalogue that came through my door today? They have 3 vans all with the thermopure system :o :o :o

Stephen Fox

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2014, 11:18:16 pm »
Looks like something that is an over-manufactured plastic pot. Excess to requirement for most window cleaners in that D.I. resin containers dont cost £240 and the required resin sachets cost £33.00 for 6 litres of resin  :o  :o  :o

A manufactured rip-ff.



Window Licker, these are proving very popular, they are the first DI tank made for window cleaners whether you think over-manufactured = design I don't know. The sacks are easily refillable with the resin of choice. Unger are moving forward in great leaps concerning water fed products, they have the worlds most ridged water fed pole and more to come. Embrace the change!! ;)


Im sure they are proving very popular. Theres plenty of mugs about in all honesty. Its just a plastic moulded cannister though isnt it with a bit of gumf, pretty packaging and a ribbon to smarten its appearance. Probably costs about 20 squid to put together.

I was down at our local van WFP installer a couple of years ago (Im in Basingstoke, so use your noddle and you'll know who). They were in the middle of flogging a system to a couple (looked like man and wife) who obviously hadnt had the good fortune of thinking of using online forums to widen their knowledge. In all honesty they were well and truly shafted pricewise for what they got. I wouldve been ashamed to have taken their money at the rates those salesmen were pulling the wool over their eyes. Here's an example of their charges - £300 for a split charge relay (which they justified by saying it was half a days work for an auto-electrician - which is utter codswallop) Im sure the couple looked pleased as punch with their shiny new boxes, switches, poles and reels when thy got them - ignorant unfortunately to their foolishness.

In reality theres probably 20 shiners out there for every shiner that frequents this place and other online forums. It only takes a slightly rusty salesman to start making clap trap promises about this that and the other thats needed so punters can go out of their local suppliers and rake in £50 an hour. Its easy takings lets face it. You may not sell many to the guys on here but theres plenty of mugs out there.

Which is why theyre proving popular.

Window lickers, not at all. We don't have teams of sales guys going out there trying to push products onto unsuspecting punters. 'Proving popular' is some one looking at something, with no pressure, and making a purchase from their own decision.  If they don't like it, it can be sent back - when does the 'mug' come in?

Stephen Fox

  • Posts: 471
Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2014, 11:24:13 pm »
How Unger tested the 30% more efficiency was not in the way you'd think.

They froze a normal DI and cut sections through it and measured the level of impurities in the resin. They then did the same for their own new DI.

I wonder why they did such a complex test when the way to test one against the other is obvious?

They also never said what make and what size DI their own DI was tested against. I wonder why?

Also, 30% more efficient than what exactly?


My opinion, 'embrace the change', yeah sure, and spend more money at the same time just to end up with a fancy looking plastic box that has, wait for it, quick release connectors fitted. Wow.

Ross, Unger also offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee which is a lot more than most, and your commenting on something you don't have. That's a little unfair don't you think?

rosskesava

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2014, 12:21:56 am »


Ross, Unger also offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee which is a lot more than most, and your commenting on something you don't have. That's a little unfair don't you think?

Stephen, I was stating facts which cannot be unfair. Why don't you answer the points I raised or are we to blindly buy just simply based on a 100% satisfaction guarantee?

What type of person buys something without thinking about what they are purchasing?

Also, if someone buys a DI container for the first time and buys an Unger one, of course they'll be pleased with it. It's well thought out and will be the only experience of a DI that they have and that is the market it's aimed at.

It'll only be months or maybe years later having spent a fortune on 6ltr socks full of resin that maybe they'll realise there is a much cheaper way to achieve the same and what value will the satisfaction guarantee be worth then?

On the basis of not commenting on something I don't have, how is any choice of which model, type, etc, is best to buy made? Regardless of guarantee, the choice obviously is not made after purchasing, it's made before hand. The guarantee is just one more selling point for the company.

So you are saying I should go out and buy something to do the same thing as something I already have that costs more to use based on a satisfaction guarantee?

Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

Soupy

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2014, 09:55:45 am »
Sheesh, I'm not really interested in the views of those who haven't tried it, especially those who probably haven't even seen it.

I've ordered one anyway as personally I believe the design of the bottles we use at the moment is flawed and I'm interested to see for myself if it's any good.

I for one am glad someone is at least attempting to make our lives easier, whether it's through 'over manufacturing' or not. If it increases resin life by 30% like Unger claim then it'll pay for itself pretty quickly.
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Stephen Fox

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2014, 10:12:57 am »


Ross, Unger also offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee which is a lot more than most, and your commenting on something you don't have. That's a little unfair don't you think?

Stephen, I was stating facts which cannot be unfair. Why don't you answer the points I raised or are we to blindly buy just simply based on a 100% satisfaction guarantee?

What type of person buys something without thinking about what they are purchasing?

Also, if someone buys a DI container for the first time and buys an Unger one, of course they'll be pleased with it. It's well thought out and will be the only experience of a DI that they have and that is the market it's aimed at.

It'll only be months or maybe years later having spent a fortune on 6ltr socks full of resin that maybe they'll realise there is a much cheaper way to achieve the same and what value will the satisfaction guarantee be worth then?

On the basis of not commenting on something I don't have, how is any choice of which model, type, etc, is best to buy made? Regardless of guarantee, the choice obviously is not made after purchasing, it's made before hand. The guarantee is just one more selling point for the company.

So you are saying I should go out and buy something to do the same thing as something I already have that costs more to use based on a satisfaction guarantee?


Ross,

I'm not saying you should buy one at all, but having a satisfaction guarantee does help with peace of mind in a purchase, don't you think?

The socks are an option for ease of use - you can fill it with loose resin as well.

The OP was asking if anyone has used one then follows a load of comments, from people who haven't, giving it a hard time

Soupy

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2014, 12:06:29 pm »
Stephen, I was stating facts which cannot be unfair. Why don't you answer the points I raised or are we to blindly buy just simply based on a 100% satisfaction guarantee?

Depends on how you view a satisfaction guarantee. For me it eliminates the need to blindly buy because you can buy it, see if it's any good and return it if it isn't.
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windowswashed

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Re: Unger hydropower
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2014, 06:51:21 pm »
Looks a good idea but don't fancy paying £108 +VAT @20% for the equivalent of 24 litres of resin.