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LWC

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2014, 01:07:03 pm »
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We know what a DIY system looks like. Thinly veiled 'look at me I have 2 vans on the road thread' IMO.

Ha ha. Not at all.

Just a post showing that you don't need to spend loads on a basic system if your just starting up.

Exaclty right! Hes not showing off, hes saying it can be done cheaper...nothing wrong with that.

Good on ya mate, looks smart, i DIY EVERYTHING, save a packet and it does exaclty the SAME job. Well maybe its not quite as good with their ultra pure water, my 000 TDS just doesnt cut the mustard lol

jimiwindows

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2014, 01:49:33 pm »


I know it costs more but i think it looks good.

Scrimble

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2014, 01:55:48 pm »
jimiwindows, your set up will work better too, its very simular to mine

proper secured baffled tank, fixed hose reel, looks excellant much better than a poxy unbaffled wydale tank and the flimsy frame,

some peoples standards are higher than others

8weekly

Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2014, 02:10:20 pm »
jimiwindows, your set up will work better too, its very simular to mine

proper secured baffled tank, fixed hose reel, looks excellant much better than a poxy unbaffled wydale tank and the flimsy frame,

some peoples standards are higher than others
Are you 12?

supernova77

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2014, 02:13:49 pm »
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jimiwindows, your set up will work better too, its very simular to mine

proper secured baffled tank, fixed hose reel, looks excellant much better than a poxy unbaffled wydale tank and the flimsy frame,

some peoples standards are higher than others

Yeah it does look good. I like it - But couldn't find a valid business reason to spend thousands.

Proper secured baffled tank? - That's what my DIY system has... The tank is baffled and the frame is a purpose built frame for a 500L tank.

Fixed hose reel? - I prefer taking mine out the van thanks... Have tried a fixed hose reel before and didn't like it.

Scrimble - Sounds like you've spent thousands and are now bitter about it. It must be hard keeping up with the monthly repayments, or annoying to think that you've spent thousands when you didn't have to?

 ;)

Smart Carpet

Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2014, 02:32:52 pm »
Just Fyi, the reason those Wydale tanks have that centre section, is not so much a baffle, but more to stop the sides of the more cheaply made tanks collapsing.  It's not designed as a baffle, and doesn't stop the water sloshing as well as a properly baffled tank:




supernova77

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2014, 02:34:42 pm »
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Just Fyi, the reason those Wydale tanks have that centre section, is not so much a baffle, but more to stop the sides of the more cheaply made tanks collapsing.  It's not designed as a baffle, and doesn't stop the water sloshing as well as a properly baffled tank:

That's a fair point.

But, I've used the more cheaply made tanks for over 8 years and never had a problem.

Andy

Clever Forum Name

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2014, 02:49:26 pm »
Wydale tanks are not designed for vehicles. Ask wydale and see what they say!

supernova77

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2014, 03:02:19 pm »
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Wydale tanks are not designed for vehicles. Ask wydale and see what they say!

But if they work in a vehicle whats the problem?

There are many things that are made for a specific purpose, but can be used for other purposes.

If it's safely secured there is no problem.

Clever Forum Name

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2014, 03:35:51 pm »
No problem at all in using them.

Having used them for a few years in a couple of vans. We decided to change to crash test systems.

I think diy systems are good. But I am
Glad I have got away from them now.


Simon Mess

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2014, 03:37:56 pm »
jimiwindows, your set up will work better too, its very simular to mine

proper secured baffled tank, fixed hose reel, looks excellant much better than a poxy unbaffled wydale tank and the flimsy frame,

some peoples standards are higher than others

What a load of 8ollocks

Pure water is pure water, it will clean windows just as well regardless of how much money is spent on the installation.

"Some peoples standards are higher than others"

Indeed, but that has precisely diddly squat to do with how much money the system cost. Of course there are other people who think that spending a ton of money on something a well trained chimp could put together, for a fraction of the cost, will make them a better window cleaner. If you have enough spare cash rolling about to do this, well that is your choice, but don't go implying that your expensive system makes you a better window cleaner than anyone else on here with a diy system.

Grow up ::)roll

Pete Thompson

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2014, 05:27:47 pm »
My tuppenceworth for what its worth, is that safety is top priority.  For that reason I would never ever drive around in a van with a DIY tank.  A fella on this thread said the tank was secured to the floor of the van.  That's totally unsafe in my view, the van floor has no strength at all, and bolts will just tear through it.  Needs to be fastened to the chassis.  BUT I'm not bothered enough to argue about that with anyone, after all it's up to each of us what we decide to do and what's important.

Aside safety, I don't think a pro system would MUCH more that a DIY wouldn't do, maybe a bit more convenient for changing resin, a neater installation etc, but really that's down to personal choice.

I didn't have the money to spend on a top-of-range ionic system, but ionics Pure2o systems (which is a sort of value range) are very well priced and solidly built IMO, so I bought one of those for what I consider a perfectly reasonable price, which (suprisingly to me) included fitting.  (for anyone interested, I think it was about £2300 all in, 400 litre system)

Although I am quite good with fixing stuff like this, I have to be honest and say that having the fitting done for me was a great boon.  It was done in less than a day, and to a much neater standard than I would have been able to myself, and I'd even go so far as to say that it looks better and neater than any of the DIY systems I've seen pics of on here.  Added to that the fact that it has never let me down, ever, not once.  I've never lost a single day's work to something breaking or going wrong.  Reliability is worth paying for IMO.

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Apart from the cost, one good reason for going DIY is that if a problem occurs, we're in a better position to fault find and sort it out quickly without having to rely on a third party to do it for us.
I suppose that's true, as it goes, but it took me about 5 minutes of staring at my Pure2o system to understand exactly how it worked and what each bit did, it's not complicated.  As it happens, nothing has ever gone wrong with my system but if it did I wouldn't be stressed about finding and fixing what it was.  I would always advise keeping some vital components as spares (eg a pump, fuses etc).

If I was advising someone now I would say yes you could build your own DIY system, and it would certainly save you some money.  But honestly, you have to rely on the system to earn your living, and the extra money spent on a professionally built and properly installed system is probably money well spent.

PoleKing

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2014, 05:51:40 pm »
My tuppenceworth for what its worth, is that safety is top priority.  For that reason I would never ever drive around in a van with a DIY tank.  A fella on this thread said the tank was secured to the floor of the van.  That's totally unsafe in my view, the van floor has no strength at all, and bolts will just tear through it.  Needs to be fastened to the chassis.  BUT I'm not bothered enough to argue about that with anyone, after all it's up to each of us what we decide to do and what's important.

Aside safety, I don't think a pro system would MUCH more that a DIY wouldn't do, maybe a bit more convenient for changing resin, a neater installation etc, but really that's down to personal choice.

I didn't have the money to spend on a top-of-range ionic system, but ionics Pure2o systems (which is a sort of value range) are very well priced and solidly built IMO, so I bought one of those for what I consider a perfectly reasonable price, which (suprisingly to me) included fitting.  (for anyone interested, I think it was about £2300 all in, 400 litre system)

Although I am quite good with fixing stuff like this, I have to be honest and say that having the fitting done for me was a great boon.  It was done in less than a day, and to a much neater standard than I would have been able to myself, and I'd even go so far as to say that it looks better and neater than any of the DIY systems I've seen pics of on here.  Added to that the fact that it has never let me down, ever, not once.  I've never lost a single day's work to something breaking or going wrong.  Reliability is worth paying for IMO.

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Apart from the cost, one good reason for going DIY is that if a problem occurs, we're in a better position to fault find and sort it out quickly without having to rely on a third party to do it for us.
I suppose that's true, as it goes, but it took me about 5 minutes of staring at my Pure2o system to understand exactly how it worked and what each bit did, it's not complicated.  As it happens, nothing has ever gone wrong with my system but if it did I wouldn't be stressed about finding and fixing what it was.  I would always advise keeping some vital components as spares (eg a pump, fuses etc).

If I was advising someone now I would say yes you could build your own DIY system, and it would certainly save you some money.  But honestly, you have to rely on the system to earn your living, and the extra money spent on a professionally built and properly installed system is probably money well spent.

Has your van got a chassis Pete? What are you driving?
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Scrimble

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2014, 06:20:44 pm »
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jimiwindows, your set up will work better too, its very simular to mine

proper secured baffled tank, fixed hose reel, looks excellant much better than a poxy unbaffled wydale tank and the flimsy frame,

some peoples standards are higher than others

Yeah it does look good. I like it - But couldn't find a valid business reason to spend thousands.

Proper secured baffled tank? - That's what my DIY system has... The tank is baffled and the frame is a purpose built frame for a 500L tank.

Fixed hose reel? - I prefer taking mine out the van thanks... Have tried a fixed hose reel before and didn't like it.

Scrimble - Sounds like you've spent thousands and are now bitter about it. It must be hard keeping up with the monthly repayments, or annoying to think that you've spent thousands when you didn't have to?

 ;)

no i havnt spent thousands on my set up, I paid not much more than you for a far better set up,  it was bought for in cash that i had earned not on credit, I even get to claim the vat back on it too ;-)

I was more annoyed with driving round and feeling sea sick with all the sloshing around that you get with a poxy wydale tank,

really Im not having a dig, my 2nd van has a 350l wydale tank ratchet strapped in the back! reason for this is because its cheap and I dont drive it lol

Don Kee

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2014, 06:26:02 pm »
Do layflats help with sloshing as i dont really notice it if i'm honest?

And i didnt think vans has seperate chassis' nowadays...the floor and chassis are one and the same?

robert mitchell

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2014, 06:34:24 pm »
My tuppenceworth for what its worth, is that safety is top priority.  For that reason I would never ever drive around in a van with a DIY tank.A fella on this thread said the tank was secured to the floor of the van.  That's totally unsafe in my view, the van floor has no strength at all, and bolts will just tear through it.  Needs to be fastened to the chassis.  BUT I'm not bothered enough to argue about that with anyone, after all it's up to each of us what we decide to do and what's important.

Aside safety, I don't think a pro system would MUCH more that a DIY wouldn't do, maybe a bit more convenient for changing resin, a neater installation etc, but really that's down to personal choice.

I didn't have the money to spend on a top-of-range ionic system, but ionics Pure2o systems (which is a sort of value range) are very well priced and solidly built IMO, so I bought one of those for what I consider a perfectly reasonable price, which (suprisingly to me) included fitting.  (for anyone interested, I think it was about £2300 all in, 400 litre system)


Although I am quite good with fixing stuff like this, I have to be honest and say that having the fitting done for me was a great boon.  It was done in less than a day, and to a much neater standard than I would have been able to myself, and I'd even go so far as to say that it looks better and neater than any of the DIY systems I've seen pics of on here.  Added to that the fact that it has never let me down, ever, not once.  I've never lost a single day's work to something breaking or going wrong.  Reliability is worth paying for IMO.

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Apart from the cost, one good reason for going DIY is that if a problem occurs, we're in a better position to fault find and sort it out quickly without having to rely on a third party to do it for us.
I suppose that's true, as it goes, but it took me about 5 minutes of staring at my Pure2o system to understand exactly how it worked and what each bit did, it's not complicated.  As it happens, nothing has ever gone wrong with my system but if it did I wouldn't be stressed about finding and fixing what it was.  I would always advise keeping some vital components as spares (eg a pump, fuses etc).

If I was advising someone now I would say yes you could build your own DIY system, and it would certainly save you some money.  But honestly, you have to rely on the system to earn your living, and the extra money spent on a professionally built and properly installed system is probably money well spent.


Not strictly true about fastening to the floor , the grippamax crash tested systems are bolted through the floor not the chassis , they use large spreader plates to spread the load.
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jimiwindows

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2014, 08:15:24 pm »
My system does not make me a good window cleaner my bucket of water and my tools make me a window cleaner any one can push a pole up and down.ps I do inside and outside.

Pete Thompson

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2014, 10:38:37 pm »
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Has your van got a chassis Pete? What are you driving?

VW Caddy, 2009 plate.

ben M

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2014, 10:43:19 pm »
No problem at all in using them.

Having used them for a few years in a couple of vans. We decided to change to crash test systems.

I think diy systems are good. But I am
Glad I have got away from them now.


+1

PoleKing

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Re: 2nd Van - DIY Setup - You don't need to spend £££
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2014, 11:00:42 pm »
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Has your van got a chassis Pete? What are you driving?

VW Caddy, 2009 plate.

Don't think you've got a chassis bud.
Simon Mess would know...
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.