[Tadgh O Shea]

Cleaning internals can be a simple task and a nice earner, when it comes to homes most women try to clean the insides with traditional type glass and mirror cleaners which is a disaster as all they do is leave behind streaks and smears, its a fact one of the worst products used for cleaning glass and mirror surfaces are traditional type glass and mirror cleaners as they contain IPA,ammonia,solvents,etc, and its these ingredients that end up leaving behind all the greasy residues, a good solution to this problem is first use a magic eraser pad damp with water to break down all the greasy residues, then use a damp microfiber cloth to remove all the loosened residues, then use a dry microfiber cloth to polish off for a streak free finish, this method is far more effective than using an applicator and squeegee and will leave a superior finish, anyway just some different thoughts on cleaning internals, why not try it you might be surprised.

[deeege]

Cleaning internals can be a simple task and a nice earner, when it comes to homes most women try to clean the insides with traditional type glass and mirror cleaners which is a disaster as all they do is leave behind streaks and smears, its a fact one of the worst products used for cleaning glass and mirror surfaces are traditional type glass and mirror cleaners as they contain IPA,ammonia,solvents,etc, and its these ingredients that end up leaving behind all the greasy residues, a good solution to this problem is first use a magic eraser pad damp with water to break down all the greasy residues, then use a damp microfiber cloth to remove all the loosened residues, then use a dry microfiber cloth to polish off for a streak free finish, this method is far more effective than using an applicator and squeegee and will leave a superior finish, anyway just some different thoughts on cleaning internals, why not try it you might be surprised.

Twaddle.

Applicator and squeegie every time for the best finish and speed.

[J.D]

If it works for you Tadgh then great but I find the applicator & squeegee is still the best method for internals. Cif window cleaner spray is also great for inside windows that are cleaned on a regular basis.

[wfp master]

Cleaning internals can be a simple task and a nice earner, when it comes to homes most women try to clean the insides with traditional type glass and mirror cleaners which is a disaster as all they do is leave behind streaks and smears, its a fact one of the worst products used for cleaning glass and mirror surfaces are traditional type glass and mirror cleaners as they contain IPA,ammonia,solvents,etc, and its these ingredients that end up leaving behind all the greasy residues, a good solution to this problem is first use a magic eraser pad damp with water to break down all the greasy residues, then use a damp microfiber cloth to remove all the loosened residues, then use a dry microfiber cloth to polish off for a streak free finish, this method is far more effective than using an applicator and squeegee and will leave a superior finish, anyway just some different thoughts on cleaning internals, why not try it you might be surprised.

to much faffing about. Blade & app a lot quicker.

[Tadgh O Shea]

I did not say that it was quicker than app and blade, i said it was a more effective way and would leave a superior finish, its just about sharing different methods, one of the reasons for having a forum about cleaning.

[deeege]

I did not say that it was quicker than app and blade, i said it was a more effective way and would leave a superior finish, its just about sharing different methods, one of the reasons for having a forum about cleaning.

Speed has to be considered when measuring 'effectiveness'.

If a subby of mine turned up and started fannying around with waffle cloths and magic potions i'd send him home.

[Tadgh O Shea]

I did not say that it was quicker than app and blade, i said it was a more effective way and would leave a superior finish, its just about sharing different methods, one of the reasons for having a forum about cleaning.

Speed has to be considered when measuring 'effectiveness'.

If a subby of mine turned up and started fannying around with waffle cloths and magic potions i'd send him home.

  I didnt mention anything about waffle cloths, i did say for deep cleaning internals that its a more effective way.

[8weekly]

I did not say that it was quicker than app and blade, i said it was a more effective way and would leave a superior finish, its just about sharing different methods, one of the reasons for having a forum about cleaning.

Speed has to be considered when measuring 'effectiveness'.

If a subby of mine turned up and started fannying around with waffle cloths and magic potions i'd send him home.

  I didnt mention anything about waffle cloths, i did say for deep cleaning internals that its a more effective way.

For regular internal cleans on smallish windows I find microfibres quicker. Quite possibly because I wasn't trad before & never developed sufficient speed.

[8weekly]

On mingers though I'd use a squeegee.

[richard groves]

spray mist bottle with washing up lquid and small drop of ammonia
pound shop microfiber towel for small panes, a wringed out applicator for larger ones, squegee, let dry and detail with a good scrim or unger mirofiber, no bucket or excess water to leave puddles to mop up, working for me 

[The Jester of Wibbly]

2 x the exterior cost and a mug of tea for the insides.  If they say so thanks, OK with me, if they say yes its worth the cuppa

[PoleKing]

I did not say that it was quicker than app and blade, i said it was a more effective way and would leave a superior finish, its just about sharing different methods, one of the reasons for having a forum about cleaning.

Sorry Tadgh but a cloth will never leave a 'superior finish' to a squeegee. Never.

[Tadgh O Shea]

I did not say that it was quicker than app and blade, i said it was a more effective way and would leave a superior finish, its just about sharing different methods, one of the reasons for having a forum about cleaning.

Sorry Tadgh but a cloth will never leave a 'superior finish' to a squeegee. Never.

Hi PoleKing looks like this is another one we will have to agree to disagree with

[PoleKing]

I did not say that it was quicker than app and blade, i said it was a more effective way and would leave a superior finish, its just about sharing different methods, one of the reasons for having a forum about cleaning.

Sorry Tadgh but a cloth will never leave a 'superior finish' to a squeegee. Never.

Hi PoleKing looks like this is another one we will have to agree to disagree with

Fair enough.
How's that TFR research coming on?
I'm doing a little experiment myself.

[CleanClear]

Sorry Tadgh but a cloth will never leave a 'superior finish' to a squeegee. Never.

I'd disagree with this . Jewlers cases, crystal glasses, picture frames, mirrors are NOT cleaned with a squeegee. Aside from which your comment, roughly, the same was said about WFP when it first came out, and to an extent still seems to cause debate even today.
  I'm very profficient with a mop and blade and yet i have reverted to cloths on some interiors. For the sole reason they are quicker and do the same job. Also to add some of the shop fronts i do i am having to go round and spot remove finger prints because a mop and squeegee has not removed them. Thats how good a mop and squeegee is as a 100% cure all, its just not. Aside from which, most of us indeed using cloths to detail edges, remove the odd blade mark etc. Apparently if we all dog eared our channels so we didn't need to detail we wouldn't even need a cloth ?
  A basic fact of using a squeegee is that it needs lubrication to move, and that ends up running down everywhere, no matter how much you try to catch it. Yes i'm aware you can do that and i do it, i'm also aware there are situations where you just cannot do it, so use a cloth !!

[PoleKing]

Sorry Tadgh but a cloth will never leave a 'superior finish' to a squeegee. Never.

I'd disagree with this . Jewlers cases, crystal glasses, picture frames, mirrors are NOT cleaned with a squeegee. Aside from which your comment, roughly, the same was said about WFP when it first came out, and to an extent still seems to cause debate even today.
  I'm very profficient with a mop and blade and yet i have reverted to cloths on some interiors. For the sole reason they are quicker and do the same job. Also to add some of the shop fronts i do i am having to go round and spot remove finger prints because a mop and squeegee has not removed them. Thats how good a mop and squeegee is as a 100% cure all, its just not. Aside from which, most of us indeed using cloths to detail edges, remove the odd blade mark etc. Apparently if we all dog eared our channels so we didn't need to detail we wouldn't even need a cloth ?
  A basic fact of using a squeegee is that it needs lubrication to move, and that ends up running down everywhere, no matter how much you try to catch it. Yes i'm aware you can do that and i do it, i'm also aware there are situations where you just cannot do it, so use a cloth !!

Sorry CC, you're right. I should've been more specific, on a large pane of glass, like the thread started out on, the cloths will never be as good.
There's always the shine marks from cloths in the wrong light.

[Tadgh O Shea]

I did not say that it was quicker than app and blade, i said it was a more effective way and would leave a superior finish, its just about sharing different methods, one of the reasons for having a forum about cleaning.

Sorry Tadgh but a cloth will never leave a 'superior finish' to a squeegee. Never.

Hi PoleKing looks like this is another one we will have to agree to disagree with

Fair enough.
How's that TFR research coming on?
I'm doing a little experiment myself.

 
As you know I have a total aversion to TFRs because of their caustic and corrosive ingredients which cause detrimental damage to surfaces, I am collecting pictures of this damage caused to different surfaces from the use of these harsh chemicals, I will be there very soon and hope when I post the pics it will be of benefit and especially to the new guys joining our industry.

[duncan h]

So I think you have decided a cloth is the best way to go. Now what is the best chemical to use

[PoleKing]

I did not say that it was quicker than app and blade, i said it was a more effective way and would leave a superior finish, its just about sharing different methods, one of the reasons for having a forum about cleaning.

Sorry Tadgh but a cloth will never leave a 'superior finish' to a squeegee. Never.

Hi PoleKing looks like this is another one we will have to agree to disagree with

Fair enough.
How's that TFR research coming on?
I'm doing a little experiment myself.

 
As you know I have a total aversion to TFRs because of their caustic and corrosive ingredients which cause detrimental damage to surfaces, I am collecting pictures of this damage caused to different surfaces from the use of these harsh chemicals, I will be there very soon and hope when I post the pics it will be of benefit and especially to the new guys joining our industry.

I am genuinely interested to see any damage it does.
I'm only interested in UPVC and glass though tbh.
Obviously it's fine on cars, that's why it was designed.
Can't think of anywhere else I'd use it...

Just for clarity, I know TFR is acid but is it caustic? Is there a difference?

[CleanClear]

I am genuinely interested to see any damage it does.
I'm only interested in UPVC and glass though tbh.
Obviously it's fine on cars, that's why it was designed.
Can't think of anywhere else I'd use it...

Just for clarity, I know TFR is acid but is it caustic? Is there a difference?

Darren, i've no idea about the do's or don'ts of TFR's on UPVC or windows, but i can tell you 100% they DO NOT work on vehicles, even though thats what they are designed for. If they where i would not be (an neither would anyone else) using brushes and sponges on them if the TFR worked !!! We just use soap to make everything glide easier !!! I clean a good few vehicles.