[edward1]

 I wondered if any of you guys have people working for you on a self employed basis.

one of my colleagues does this .but I didn't think you could.

Obviously that would make life easier .

 I sub work out at the moment and employ  1 guy on the books .But what with holiday pay and employers ni  14 % I think it is ,its quite a cost .making people self employed would end that .

[dave0123]

You cant do this legally.


Your best option would let him get his own equipment and become self employed and have his own work but subs of you few days a week.. that would be legal

[Window Lickers]

He can 'hire' equipment from you.

[koopmaster]

so can you sub to someone and hire your equipment out for a £1 a week.  would that be legal?

[Window Lickers]

Yes. I know of another window cleaner who charges his subby £1.50 an hour for the hire of the equipment he uses.

[Window Lickers]

so can you sub to someone and hire your equipment out for a £1 a week.  would that be legal?

You'll have to make it look better than £1.00 a week though. Offer him an improved rate of pay but also implement a 'hire' charge. That way it looks good for your accountant. Win win.

[Total shine cleaning services]

Hmrcs definition of self employed is own van/ tools, more than one customer and be in charge of your own scheduling, there are a fair few who still do the self employed thing, but it is technically tax evasion

Graham

[alfie11]

In the uk there is no legal definition of self employd

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

One of my customers owns a well established & highly regarded roofing business. All the people who work for him are self employed. I don't know the ins & outs of it but he used to employ & now says he wont have it any other way!

[HampshireWindowCleaning]

This whole 'window cleaning franchise' thing is basically subbing out your work to self employed people and they pay you a cut of the money, without having to worry about tax and ni, holiday pay etc.

[Soupy]

I'll say to you what I say to everyone who asks about tax matters on here.

Speak to an accountant.

That is all.

[edward1]

soupy ,accountants opinions vary as well.some  are cautious and some are not as cautious.

[Soupy]

Better to take advice from a qualified professional than from a window cleaning forum.

[edward1]

 

[CleanClear]

I'll say to you what I say to everyone who asks about tax matters on here.

Speak to an accountant.

That is all.

Easier to go direct to the tax man 

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/calcs/esi.htm

HR people deal with employment. Accountants are for figures. Taxman does it all 

[PoleKing]

I'll say to you what I say to everyone who asks about tax matters on here.

Speak to an accountant.

That is all.

Easier to go direct to the tax man 

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/calcs/esi.htm

HR people deal with employment. Accountants are for figures. Taxman does it all 

The taxtw@ is very difficult to pin down to give an answer when it isn't clear cut in print.
It's a long story (which I won't bore you with) but through them being evasive, I only paid my January tax bill last week.
It was a lot of money, it was in their interest to give me what I wanted but because there wasn't the answer to my question in their script, they wouldn't answer it.
An accountant could say 'it's not cut and dry, you can't do this, but you may want to do that but I would suggest the other...'

I do agree with you CC re: going direct, but only if the question is relatively simple. But when it comes to tax, the answer is rarely simple.

[CleanClear]

Easier to go direct to the tax man 

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/calcs/esi.htm

HR people deal with employment. Accountants are for figures. Taxman does it all 

The taxtw@ is very difficult to pin down to give an answer when it isn't clear cut in print.
It's a long story (which I won't bore you with) but through them being evasive, I only paid my January tax bill last week.
It was a lot of money, it was in their interest to give me what I wanted but because there wasn't the answer to my question in their script, they wouldn't answer it.
An accountant could say 'it's not cut and dry, you can't do this, but you may want to do that but I would suggest the other...'

I do agree with you CC re: going direct, but only if the question is relatively simple. But when it comes to tax, the answer is rarely simple.

Yeah i take your point. In the case of the above advice though (wrongly or rightly) it always makes me laugh when people say "see an accountant" for this type of stuff, they're bean counters and no more, i don't mean any disrespect to them by saying that just that they are not qualified to give out employment status advice, daresay some could dip their toe in and have a guess.
   That link i gave above though, if you look through it, its pretty comprehensive and does say along the lines of...if you fill it out, get your answer, print it out (and keep it as proof) it should cover you in the case of a questioned descision.

[edward1]

ok thx for that

[Total shine cleaning services]

so can you take on somebody, put him in one of your vans, give him a schedule of cleans and pay him self employed or not, anybody doing this..?

Graham

[Tom White]

so can you take on somebody, put him in one of your vans, give him a schedule of cleans and pay him self employed or not, anybody doing this..?

Graham

If something happened and it went to court, you'd find he was employed in this scenario and therefore employed and you'd very likely be held responsible as his/her employer.

Or if the 'self employed employee' was audited for tax purposes and had not been paying his taxes on his 'self employment income', you would be liable for them and they'd very likely look into your tax affairs too.

I know someone who this happened to (different business to ours though) and it turned his world upside down for a while.