[lee_dewing]

Hi everyone what's the best upvc cleaner for white frames?

Is it cif? or can anyone recommend a professional cream cleaner/restorer.

Seen a builder use silversil on a soffit/facia clean worked well.

help.thanks lee.

[lee_dewing]

anyone

[Ste b]

Cif is good and cheap aswell

[Mike #1]

Surely it is going to cause serious scratches , my wife cleaned bath panel with a cream cleaner and it is scratched to bits . Mike

[Avo]

Tool station do two types a spirit base and a cream cleaner both good and about £5 each bottle.

[lee_dewing]

Thanks AVO.

[stu_thomson]

This stuff is amazing on a whole lotta surfaces

http://www.amazon.co.uk/VuPLEX-CLEANER-MIRRORS-GRANITE-SUKI/dp/B007WP0QBE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395782631&sr=8-1&keywords=vuplex

Stu

[PoleKing]

Thought Tadgh would be all over this!

I just use TFR.
Pics on my website if you wanna compare...

[lee_dewing]

Thanks Stu, so this stuff good for white upvc then i take it?
as a lot of people on the amazon reviews using it on kitchen work tops.

Pole kinf just tfr from halfords then just rub over upvc with cheap micro fibre,

thanks lee.

[lee_dewing]

Pole King.
just looked at conservatory pics on your website "NICE!"

Do you use a conservatory ladder for roofs or is it just a case of garden sprayer-virosol, soak and scrub?

I take it you use tfr on window frames and outside of the connie guttering?

Any paticular TFR?

How long would a conservatory like that on your website; take 1 man all outside roof and tfr the framework; 7hrs?

many thanks lee

[PoleKing]

Pole King.
just looked at conservatory pics on your website "NICE!"

Do you use a conservatory ladder for roofs or is it just a case of garden sprayer-virosol, soak and scrub?

I take it you use tfr on window frames and outside of the connie guttering?

Any paticular TFR?

How long would a conservatory like that on your website; take 1 man all outside roof and tfr the framework; 7hrs?

many thanks lee

Thank you.
I didn't know there were different types of TFR.
There's a place near me called JTT that do me 25lt of 'neat' TFR for £32.
Last ages as they suggest dilution if 1:8.

I used to spray it on but, by fluke, found it easier to brush it on.
I flick the brush over the finials till it's covered in suds.
Then the same on the panels.
One side.
I find once it suds up, leave it on for a bit (5 minutes it so, never let it dry)
Then plug in to the customers tap and keep scrubbing and  dipping into the bucket for a bit more TFR.
Keep scrubbing until it comes up shiny. Work around the roof, then same process on the glass, frames, guttering and down pipe.

Lol @ 7hrs bud.
That particular house is one of the David Wilson  3 storey town houses.
Windows and conservatory in entirety, from pulling up, chatting, tea, getting paid, driving away was less than 2 hours total.

As it happens, the job was well underpriced but she's good as gold the customer so I don't really mind.

And I knew I was gonna take the pics for the site as it was minging!

[lee_dewing]

Thanks very much pole king 2hrs for grotty connie plus the windows too.
Very quick.
Should have hung it out a bit and charged em up

[PoleKing]

Thanks very much pole king 2hrs for grotty connie plus the windows too.
Very quick.
Should have hung it out a bit and charged em up

Couldn't bud.
Not really my style and the day I was there I needed to be back.
Ho hum.
Like your man says 'splash, splash, gimme the cash n dash.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi Poleking, i used to be all over TFRs when i did not know any better, when i started in the industry 1982 worked in a car wash for 3 years and used to get a new layer of skin every two weeks on my hands as there was no health and safety in those times, i can give you the names of 40 different manufacturers of TFRs with a pH value of over 12 if you are happy to use these type of harsh chemicals on your clients surfaces, i have often said on this forum its up to everyone to choose which ever product they want to use. but like all industries the cleaning industry has moved on and believe it or not there are safer alternatives available today which are more effective than TFRs and wont cause detrimental damage to surfaces from continuous use. But you have to be open and receptive to change to figure these alternatives out.

[lee_dewing]

Tadgh you say about tfr but don't suggest alternatives.
Also I've tried looking at your websites and it is always under maintenance

[PoleKing]

Ok.
I get that TFR has a high PH.
And that it's not good for humans.
But it was designed for use on cars (wasn't it?) which now have water based paint.
I've never seen any damage to a car from TFR use(d properly) and have been using TFR on UPVC for nearly 10 years without a single problem arising from it.
Some customers have had a TFR conservatory clean probably twice a year on average, so, 20 cleans, 10 years and it still looks almost as good as new.

I get that you may have 'better' products on offer but you have to see that when you have a vested interest in the 'better' product and no proof (that you've posted) that TFR does any damage-it just looks like marketing Tadgh.

I am always interested in bettering myself and the business though, and would be very interested to see any damage that has arisen from TFR use on UPVC.

Also, what the cost is as a comparison.
On a 1:8 dilution ratio in getting 200 litres if usable chemical for £32.
A conservatory roof wouldn't usually need more than a couple of litres.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi Guys, i did not offer any product, my vested interest is in looking after our clients and what is used to clean their surfaces, i was happy to share my experience of using TFRs over the years, my point being guys keep an open mind there are plenty of janitorial suppliers in the UK who offer safer alternatives, if someone dose not trust my judgement that high alkaline TFRs cause detrimental damage to surfaces that is fine.

[PoleKing]

Hi Guys, i did not offer any product, my vested interest is in looking after our clients and what is used to clean their surfaces, i was happy to share my experience of using TFRs over the years, my point being guys keep an open mind there are plenty of janitorial suppliers in the UK who offer safer alternatives, if someone dose not trust my judgement that high alkaline TFRs cause detrimental damage to surfaces that is fine.

I never trust anyone else's judgement Tadgh. Cause it's me that has to carry the can. But I do take advice/experience from almost everyone then base my judgements on what I've gleaned.
I am interested to hear your experiences but they're a little ambiguous.
Just saying 'TDR is detrimental' doesn't give much to go on.
If you could post some pictures of the damage you've encountered that would be even better.

As for sales, if you can show me that your chemical does a similar or superior job without the damage that you're saying TFR causes then obviously I'd buy some from you.
You'd have given advice and as a bonus you'd get a sale.

[Bill.upnw]

Hi Guys, i did not offer any product, my vested interest is in looking after our clients and what is used to clean their surfaces, i was happy to share my experience of using TFRs over the years, my point being guys keep an open mind there are plenty of janitorial suppliers in the UK who offer safer alternatives, if someone dose not trust my judgement that high alkaline TFRs cause detrimental damage to surfaces that is fine.

Riddle me this riddle me that....

[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi Poleking, our website will be back up in a few weeks and i will be back to Mitch re advertising, i will be happy to share some safer alternatives then, i will post some pics of detrimental damage caused by TFRs in a few days.