[robertphil]

 

last week i got a 5 day ban for "telling it as it is" of a run in i had with an  injun [no disrespect in using  that term  , its a term covering folk from many countries of that region,what would u prefer "ethnic? ]
Anyway what i wrote was that she was a whole lot of time wasting  trouble.  in writing that i was informing other trade members to be alert to potential problems

  if i read something  window cleaning related about anybody /or of a faulty product/ dickey van story / i store it in my noggin  and thats what i love about forums , its the insider gossip  that you just cant buy.
 
Sure ,anybodys view might be considered bias , but its still of value  to the members  and can be ignored if it doesnt apply

lets not hold back on info  for fear of  insult/ban when info really does benefit all members

maybe i will be banned again now , or challenged off air .  who knows

 

[8weekly]

Were you warning us of that particular "injun" or all of them?

[C o z y]

I think the ban would be because of you generalizing a race of people mate. I do it without thinking sometimes. It's like saying all ex Signals are uphill gardeners, like Hector. Or that all flatheaded mongs that support Man Utd all look like ARCHER. You're just asking for trouble. HTH.

[robertphil]

Were you warning us of that particular "injun" or all of them?

iv been in business 6 years now and have probably had about 20-30 diffrent injun households on my books in that time

iv still got about 2  so i cant be considered a proper racist

Every single one has been trouble , disagreeable personalities .

BY CONTRAST-old carribean are lovely  , charming, tip-every- time types - id reccommend highly


 

[C o z y]

Haah, you're still the same. I'm married to a Man Utd fan, but still think most are flatheded baldy mongs who eat leftovers from chip shops and drag their knuckles on the ground when going to collect their JSA.

[robertphil]

 thing is , how many do i have to try out to be able to say im not biased against them

100 ?  500 ?  what if every single one was the same when it came to the crunch when dealing with a window cleaning outfit .  
 as i say ,iv had loads of happy carribean , germans too- oh yes  [fussy yes ,but fair]
 french - not so good   but you wont get banned for dissin them

 

[SeanK]

What you have to understand is this forum has to pay the bills just like any other.
So even a hint of allowing racist views or comments could put off advertisers or ruin its
reputation.
You might have a valid point but this forum is a business and will always put business needs before
members.
You cant really blame them we would all do the same.

[G Griffin]

Why does an issue with a customer become an issue with an Indian customer? If you'd just left it at that you might have got away with it but you were implying she was a problem because she was Indian. Not a problem and Indian. And you did it in an offensive way.
You might not have meant it to be offensive but ignorance is often no excuse.
And I mean that in a good way, Bobby.

[deeege]

Were you warning us of that particular "injun" or all of them?

iv been in business 6 years now and have probably had about 20-30 diffrent injun households on my books in that time

iv still got about 2  so i cant be considered a proper racist

Every single one has been trouble , disagreeable personalities .

BY CONTRAST-old carribean are lovely  , charming, tip-every- time types - id reccommend highly

I'm still trying to figure out whether you are constantly on the wind up or you really believe some of the drivel that you post?

[Clever Forum Name]

Reminds me of "that chap" on a night out.

His racist joke always starts.

"i am not racist.....but"

[Perfect Windows]

I would have thought that the problem might be in the use of "Indian".

If you were implying that the behaviour of one of your customers was typical of a race of people then by the Oxford dictionary definition, that is racism ( The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race ).  This, from your post above, seems to be what you are saying explicitly, i.e. that "every single one has been trouble".

If you were telling a story in which the fact that the protagonist was "Indian" was core to the story, then I'd argue that it wasn't racist.  So, "my customer asked me if I wanted a cup of tea today and when it came it tasted of cardomam (then again he's Indian, so I should have expected it)".

My experience is that some Asian customers are trouble and some are wonderful.  My experience is also that some British customers are trouble and some are wonderful.  It's intriguing that, to the best of my knowledge, I haven't read a single post from you beginning "Today one of my white customers..."

Vin

[robertphil]

ok, lets throw it up in the air and see where it lands

  iv bought  five CLX poles for my gang and iv found every one has a hair line crack. .Alex refuses to take my calls .  

but you think hes lovely

 youd still want to know my side- wouldnt you ?


 [note- i havnt bought any poles]

[PoleKing]

I would have thought that the problem might be in the use of "Indian".

If you were implying that the behaviour of one of your customers was typical of a race of people then by the Oxford dictionary definition, that is racism ( The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race ).  This, from your post above, seems to be what you are saying explicitly, i.e. that "every single one has been trouble".

If you were telling a story in which the fact that the protagonist was "Indian" was core to the story, then I'd argue that it wasn't racist.  So, my customer asked me if I wanted a cup of tea today and when it came it tasted of cardomam (then again he's Indian, so I should have expected it).

My experience is that some Asian customers are trouble and some are wonderful.  My experience is also that some British customers are trouble and some are wonderful.  It's intriguing that, to the best of my knowledge, I haven't read a single post from you beginning "Today one of my white customers..."

Vin

Could it be that we assume most of the people we discuss are white?
Therefore not feeling the need to say 'he was white...'
Same as gays & straights. No-one ever says 'the straight lad...' But may say '...the gay lad that...
To a degree perhaps we are all biased...a bit.

[PoleKing]

ok, lets throw it up in the air and see where it lands

  iv bought  five CLX poles for my gang and iv found every one has a hair line crack. .Alex refuses to take my calls .  

but you think hes lovely

 youd still want to know my side- wouldnt you ?


 [note- i havnt bought any poles]

Bit of a waste bobby, aren't all your lads trad? 

[Perfect Windows]

ok, lets throw it up in the air and see where it lands

  iv bought  five CLX poles for my gang and iv found every one has a hair line crack. .Alex refuses to take my calls .  

but you think hes lovely

 youd still want to know my side- wouldnt you ?


 [note- i havnt bought any poles]

COMPLETELY different.

"A white guy has sold me five poles and they all have cracks.  That's just typical of white people. They are all the same, those whiteys.  They take your money then ignore your calls.  Every single one of them is out to rip you off like that"

That's closer to what you're saying.

Vin

[Perfect Windows]

I would have thought that the problem might be in the use of "Indian".

If you were implying that the behaviour of one of your customers was typical of a race of people then by the Oxford dictionary definition, that is racism ( The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race ).  This, from your post above, seems to be what you are saying explicitly, i.e. that "every single one has been trouble".

If you were telling a story in which the fact that the protagonist was "Indian" was core to the story, then I'd argue that it wasn't racist.  So, my customer asked me if I wanted a cup of tea today and when it came it tasted of cardomam (then again he's Indian, so I should have expected it).

My experience is that some Asian customers are trouble and some are wonderful.  My experience is also that some British customers are trouble and some are wonderful.  It's intriguing that, to the best of my knowledge, I haven't read a single post from you beginning "Today one of my white customers..."

Vin

Could it be that we assume most of the people we discuss are white?
Therefore not feeling the need to say 'he was white...'
Same as gays & straights. No-one ever says 'the straight lad...' But may say '...the gay lad that...
To a degree perhaps we are all biased...a bit.

I'd argue that the whiteliness, gayfulness or straightingliness of the person is irrelevant rather than assumed.

Vin

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I'm not racist but do dislike Geordie Japs!

[Don Kee]

I think you'll find 'injun' was originally a term used in America to describe the Natives so how you've figured it now covers asians/indians/pakistanis etc is elluding me?

Funny thing is when people describe a bad customer they dont put on here 'i had a white person today that was a total arse' in fact no reference to there background or skin colour will get made...
But your on here kicking off because you didnt like the fact someone wasnt happy you've stereotyped a whole nationality (although i'd imagine you dont actually even KNOW where there from)

I've met muppets from all cultures, doesnt mean there whole race is the same....

[TomCrowther]

Is this a genuine post?

[robertphil]

I think you'll find 'injun' was originally a term used in America to describe the Natives so how you've figured it now covers asians/indians/pakistanis etc is elluding me?

 (although i'd imagine you dont actually even KNOW where there from)

  well   nobody uses the word "ethnic"  unless  describing a rug ,so what word would you use ?