[David Kent @ KentKleen]

If you where to employ a 'master builder' would you expect him to turn up working out of the back of his sierra with aldi power tools?  

[Window Lickers]

You have to have a rain guarantee and prove you always work in inclement weather?

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

God I like you!

[wfp master]

If you where to employ a 'master builder' would you expect him to turn up working out of the back of his sierra with aldi power tools?  

he can turn up on whatever he likes if his works good who cares.

[paul13]

If you where to employ a 'master builder' would you expect him to turn up working out of the back of his sierra with aldi power tools?  

Take your point but I wouldn't expect some one working like that to be interested in
insurance never mind the Guild.
I would think any one looking to join the guild is trying to better there business
and is looking for help with paper work ect but most importantly stickers for the van

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Lee, as long as everyone gets a sticker for there van everyone will be happy!

Without a CSCS card you cant get on a modern building site to clean windows. Why would a window cleaning 'Guild' let any tom dick or harry join?
No offence tom dick and harry!
If the 'Guild' is to attract serious customers, businesses wanting to join it WILL put the time and effort in to train up in all aspects of window cleaning.

STANDARDS ARE NEEDED !

 

[CleanClear]

A certificate proving your tank was professionally fitted.

Jesus !!! (see what i did there) Don't even joke about that.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

If you where to employ a 'master builder' would you expect him to turn up working out of the back of his sierra with aldi power tools?  

he can turn up on whatever he likes if his works good who cares.

Correct he can turn up and use what he likes but you will be hard pushed to find one that does. It should be all about meeting standards.

[CleanClear]

If the 'Guild' is to attract serious customers,
 

You see the Guilds role as "attracting customers" ? If so it might be worth taking a punt on the offering by Approved Cleaning as an alternative?

[wfp master]

So its all about getting stickers for the van
Surely some one on here can make some fakes.
Then we can all be masters.

[wfp master]

Does the competence in window cleaning include trad.? That could be a stumbling block for a lot.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Yes it should, all areas of window cleaning. STANDARDS is key IMO.
Cleanclear, my business plan is 100% domestic so my commercial are all a bonus. I personally don't see the need to join anything, but training and standards are key to business growth.  

[CleanClear]

Yes it should, all areas of window cleaning. STANDARDS is key IMO.
Cleanclear, my business plan is 100% domestic so my commercial are all a bonus. I personally don't see the need to join anything, but training and standards are key to business growth.  

Well there's a problem. I thought (maybe incorrectly) that the benefits of joining a trade association might be that they could help you qualify for stuff. There's a sticky at the top of this forum from the FWC that helps you get accreditation. So if you NEED to already have accreditation to join a Guild, then what sort of trade body is it? An advertising funnel for qualified cleaners, or, a genuine trade body for its members?

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Accreditation.
Guild/FWC=Yes they have insurance, please use them with confidence.
Customer= Why have they done a really poor job of our windows and work outside of H&S laws?
Oh sorry, they have the correct insurance though!!!!

[paul13]

Accreditation.
Guild/FWC=Yes they have insurance, please use them with confidence.
Customer= Why have they done a really poor job of our windows and work outside of H&S laws?
Oh sorry, they have the correct insurance though!!!!

The company would then have to explain them selfs to
the guild or be barred

[Perfect Windows]

I clean domestic only.

My franchisees clean domestic only.  They are businesses independent of mine.

None of us have more than five employees, so we don't need written risk assessments.  We'd presumably be second class citizens in this new guild order.

Vin

[paul13]

I clean domestic only.

My franchisees clean domestic only.  They are businesses independent of mine.

None of us have more than five employees, so we don't need written risk assessments.  We'd presumably be second class citizens in this new guild order.

Vin

 

[wfp master]

I clean domestic only.

My franchisees clean domestic only.  They are businesses independent of mine.

None of us have more than five employees, so we don't need written risk assessments.  We'd presumably be second class citizens in this new guild order.

Vin

but but .....you get stickers for the vans.

[davids3511]

What about varied levels of membership that you can sign up to as your business grows, should you want to grow it? Would that work? So, standard membership insurance only then H&S next level up...

I would like the Guild to appeal to prospect customers if I can, too, so that companies know coming to the Guild for their national branches is a smart one stop solution. That be kinda neat too. Yes, defo help with them risk assessments and forms. I agree smaller companies might be happy just sticking with residential and the odd commercial but if the Guild could support those that want that extra 10K contract on top of that and the 10K contract requires H&S stuff your not used to then the Guild should be able to help if you need it.....

You're just trying to monetise us. 'companies know coming to the Guild for their national branches'

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

3rd class.
1. Paid up full member with insurance.
2. insurance with pushbike and ladder thought about getting a RAMS.
3. RAMS, NVQ but not a paid up member.