[firefly123]

there are loads that are good and some bad i use trad and wfp some of us have been going for thirty years plus all ways do frames and sills trad or wfp and i can say where possible i enjoy trad more

[AuRavelling79]

It's fun. But not as much fun as going on about part-time firefighter window cleaners.

[Jonny 87]

there are loads that are good and some bad i use trad and wfp some of us have been going for thirty years plus all ways do frames and sills trad or wfp and i can say where possible i enjoy trad more

To be fair you can't say trad does as good a job with frames?

If you do, you would need loads of cloths, and spend more time on frames than you do glass.

I do trad and WFP and much prefer WFP.

[dave0123]

To be fair you can't say trad does as good a job with frames?

If you do, you would need loads of cloths, and spend more time on frames than you do glass.

I do trad and WFP and much prefer WFP.

I am 100% WFP apart from bungalows.

There's a bungalow that i have done since 2006 and he wants his frames cleaned every time i enjoy doing it trad... the frames are as just as good as doing it with a WFP

[Clever Forum Name]

trad 10 + years
WFP 4 + years

Trad does a better job on glass, but gets dirtier quicker.
Wfp does a better job on frames.

I dont care what does a better job, all i care is about £ and safety.

i am 99.9% wfp

[squeegee master]

Its funny most customers prefer trad, I use both, both great for different jobs. Wfp is such a waste of water tho, hate having all that extra weight in the van

[SeanK]

A clean frame is a clean frame doesn't matter how you clean it, to be honest your wont beat
a good trad cleaner using wfp.
I have trad cleaners as mates and they clean everything, plus you don't need a lot of cloths on maintenance
cleans a couple of microfibers would do you all day.
It might make you quicker and safer but not better.

[Paul Coleman]

Like the difference between a washing up bowl and a dishwasher.

[richard groves]

Like the difference between a washing up bowl and a dishwasher.

and we all know which is better , right ? 

[Paul Coleman]

Like the difference between a washing up bowl and a dishwasher.

and we all know which is better , right ? 

Well no.  The point I was trying to make is that there are pros and cons to both.  A dishwasher may occasionally not remove heavy marking but when it does clean properly, it should be better as clean water has flowed over it last rather than contaminated bowl water.  Of course, a double sink can be a help but most dont have them.

[Bill.upnw]

Here here

[8weekly]

A clean frame is a clean frame doesn't matter how you clean it, to be honest your wont beat
a good trad cleaner using wfp.
I have trad cleaners as mates and they clean everything, plus you don't need a lot of cloths on maintenance
cleans a couple of microfibers would do you all day.
It might make you quicker and safer but not better.

Seriously? A couple of microfibres all day? When I clean insides, I would use two on one house. Once they get wet they are useless. A couple of scrims maybe. My dad was chamois and scrim and he only used a couple all day. Very happy to be proved wrong though as I have never been trad other than internals and it is easy to be wasteful with microfibres when I haven't got to make them last.

[tom20001]

Like the difference between a washing up bowl and a dishwasher.

David have u not got bigger fish to fry given happenings down in stoke today lol

[Johnny B]

A clean frame is a clean frame doesn't matter how you clean it, to be honest your wont beat
a good trad cleaner using wfp.
I have trad cleaners as mates and they clean everything, plus you don't need a lot of cloths on maintenance
cleans a couple of microfibers would do you all day.
It might make you quicker and safer but not better.

Seriously? A couple of microfibres all day? When I clean insides, I would use two on one house. Once they get wet they are useless. A couple of scrims maybe. My dad was chamois and scrim and he only used a couple all day. Very happy to be proved wrong though as I have never been trad other than internals and it is easy to be wasteful with microfibres when I haven't got to make them last.

I use 3 or 4 micofiber cloths a day max. When damp, they are ideal for wiping frames, which I do every time  When excessively wet I just use another. If they are wet, but still clean enough, I hang them over my radiators and reuse them the following day.

I won't knock wfp, as I have never tried it, but what I do know is that I wouldn't do a better job with it than I do trad. Due to my OCD-ish attention to detail, I triple check everything I do, and if wfp'ing I would probably use a river a day to clean one house!

John

[elite mike]

john, with your ocd and attention to detail wfp would be ideal for you.

i am being serious .

[DG Cleaning]

Because they're such easy targets

[capn sparkle]

John I hate to admit it, n i'm gagging writing this - but an amateur with a pole would beat 'most' trad windies... not me, but most.

I'm a trad, but luckily for me none of 'em clean above the vents ( trad or wfp) - happy days - still nicking work of 'em...

BUT!! I have invested £2000 in a WFP system ( Trailer ) 'cos it allows me to earn and learn as I go along.

Gutted to say but this is the way forward - But no - one has managed to invent a sill brush that actually cleans 'all' of the sill

[Jonny 87]

A clean frame is a clean frame doesn't matter how you clean it, to be honest your wont beat
a good trad cleaner using wfp.
I have trad cleaners as mates and they clean everything, plus you don't need a lot of cloths on maintenance
cleans a couple of microfibers would do you all day.
It might make you quicker and safer but not better.

Seriously? A couple of microfibres all day? When I clean insides, I would use two on one house. Once they get wet they are useless. A couple of scrims maybe. My dad was chamois and scrim and he only used a couple all day. Very happy to be proved wrong though as I have never been trad other than internals and it is easy to be wasteful with microfibres when I haven't got to make them last.

I use 3 or 4 micofiber cloths a day max. When damp, they are ideal for wiping frames, which I do every time  When excessively wet I just use another. If they are wet, but still clean enough, I hang them over my radiators and reuse them the following day.

I won't knock wfp, as I have never tried it, but what I do know is that I wouldn't do a better job with it than I do trad. Due to my OCD-ish attention to detail, I triple check everything I do, and if wfp'ing I would probably use a river a day to clean one house!

John

If you were to do a house with WFP that you previously did trad a month ago, you would see the dirt running out of the frames.

I too am very OCD and I know that I cannot get any cleaner than with WFP.

[PoleKing]

John I hate to admit it, n i'm gagging writing this - but an amateur with a pole would beat 'most' trad windies... not me, but most.

I'm a trad, but luckily for me none of 'em clean above the vents ( trad or wfp) - happy days - still nicking work of 'em...

BUT!! I have invested £2000 in a WFP system ( Trailer ) 'cos it allows me to earn and learn as I go along.

Gutted to say but this is the way forward - But no - one has managed to invent a sill brush that actually cleans 'all' of the sill

The brush is only the tool.
To get the sill clean is down to the user.

[rosskesava]

I find it amazing that there is this competition.

If a windie cleans trad and is happy with that and so are his customers, then what is there to argue about.

If another chooses wfp and he's happy with that and so are his customers then ditto.

Why is there this weird type of snobbery.

If a member asks on here about using ladders, there will be the inevitable answer about changing to wfp which wasn't what the op was asking. In fact, any trad question ends up with the 'change to wfp' somewhere in the answers just as any question about non Gardiners wfp products ends up being about Gardiners wfp products.