[fibresafe]

Has anyone used this method?

How good is it compared to HWE/Bonnet cleaning/Dry compound cleaning etc? We're looking at offering it for certain commercial jobs. The rep I spoke to says you can clean up to 300 metres an hour?

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Fibresafe

I'm hoping to find out more about this method at Carpex.

When I used to shampoo carpets with a rotary which is basically what encapsulation is , we could manage 300 meteres an hour.

You do have to add time for vaccing and any dressing required.

Cheers

Doug

[fibresafe]

Hi Doug,

I'm going to have a look at the Cimex machine while I'm there. The bloke I spoke to today from Truvox said they're made in the UK - strange because they seem a lot more popular in the states?

[therapist]

I saw the Cimex a couple of months ago and was surprised to discover what the system actually involved.

It's a triple headed rotary using chrystallising foam, but it's not applied / aggitated by brush, it's really weird, when you first see it, but, it does seem to  work.

I've been contemplating something like this for some time, but it has to be much lighter, as I want to be able to carry it without endangering my already knackered back.

If anything comes of this, I will post on here.

rob m

ps

what puts me off, is the need to vacuumi, AFTER cleaning.

[spinnaker]

300 metres is an hour is about right,  more if its a loop pile be careful not to overwet as it will wick up,  the customers seem to love this system.

cimex r48 for sale Hardly used  if anyone is interested

both white and yellow (hard floor) brushes.

Paul H 07947 734352

[therapist]

The new system doesn't use brushes, but discs, similar to white polishing discs, but with no abrasion.

I know it sounds weird, but it seems pretty effective.

If Spinnakers machine is the triple header, it will only require the velco'd drive pads to make it work.

rob m

[BRSL]

Encap seems to of gone out of fashion in the uk a bit, but is very popular in Ozz, not just because of water consevation but because the chemicals have been v well devoloped and no longer resoil

I believe Carpex's seminar is on the friday by Truvox

[spinnaker]

Going to the show on thursday morning if anyone wants to view m/c let me know in avdance and I will take it down.

 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I used to clean with a Cimex in this fashion 18 years ago, the results were excellent and probably better now as the new shampoos are supposed to be more active and vacuum away better.

I changed because I bought a more powerful HWE and was told at the time that the shampoo crystals didn't really vac out of the carpet that well and caused rapid resoiling, also why should I want to shampoo a carpet and the HWE when HWE will do it all!!

I used it on domestics but 50% of the time a rinse was required, on commercial I would say the rinse was a waste of time.

By coincidence I met up with the son of the inventor a couple of years ago, he said he would get me a machine at cost, but silly me I declined as I had done with that type of cleaning and had moved on to HWE and post buff.

What a fool!

Shaun

PS Gordon Williams of Birmingham has been championing this style of cleaning for years he sometimes comes on the boards.

[Derek]

As far as rotary machines go the Cimex was rated as the bees knees many years ago ... with its three brushes there was less risk of pile distortion...always a risk with single brush machines
They seem to have gone out of favour in recent years 

[therapist]

this is a non brush system

rob m

[AJCleaningServices]

Is it this machine you are tallking about?

http://www.clemas.co.uk/html/cimex_encap.html

Regards,
Arthur

[therapist]

This is indeed the machine..........the black discs are drive pads, utilising velcro.........the white discs are the aggitating discs, but are smooth, which looks a bit odd, but it works.

Negatives for me, are the weight of the machine and the fact that vacuuming takes place after cleaning.

It might be worth considering wet/dry type vac' or water filtration vac, as both could be used without waiting for completely dry carpets

rob m

[NZ Lee]

Hi

   Encap is popular down here, the machines used are the Cimex and the TM4 (sold by Prochem) It has its place within the industry as a maintenance method, Prochem Australia/NZ sell products that incorporate the encap technology. These are fantastic products! They may be coming to the UK at some point.

[gary evans]

Hi All

WE,VE BEING DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS FOR YEARS. WHAT IS THE COST OF THIS MACHINE & CHEMICALS.

GARY

[therapist]

machine costs around £1,400 and the chemical, which is claimed to have anti re-soiling additive, costs £120 for 4x5ltrs

rob m

[AJCleaningServices]

The new system doesn't use brushes, but discs, similar to white polishing discs, but with no abrasion...

rob m

this is a non brush system

rob m

Nonsense, Rob, this system uses brushes, I have seen demo at carpex.  I know you may not beleive me so here is the link:   Either brushes or special pads can be used for Cimex-Encap

Regards,

Arthur

[therapist]

J.C. !!!!!!

HERE WE GO AGAIN

I saw te machine being demonstrated in Scotland months ago...by Cimex and took part in the demo..and discussed the unusual method of application / aggitation, which was via woven white pads..NOT BRUSHES.

I saw the same system again just over a week ago and purchased some product,as I have a concept in mind, which might allow me to continue working in this industry ... 
 
GOOD DAY

rob m

[Liahona]

Rob, I gave up on A J a long time ago, dont stress mate and most of all I hope you are feeling a little better. I have health issues too but different than yours so understand your thoughts so to speak, best, Dave.

[therapist]

Cheers Dave.....

In my case....I've been careless with my health, but at 61, I've probably done better than most.

I was never properly diagnosed, until I'd endured 40 plus years of pain and had a hip replacement, which could have been avoided.

The Heart problem is probably, genetic, but I have ignored little warning signs over the past couple of years.

Best wishes

ps

don't think you'll get the 'cleanoff' with Steve