[Lee Burbidge]

Ok, as part of a article we are doing for PPB we are now looking for anyone that has bought a PPB system and love it. We have some details of the Zero owners at the moment and looking forward to their input but who else is out there?

We want to make the article as rounded as possible so looking for ppl that are:

1) Thinking of DIY'ing a PPB system
2) Think its a waste of time PPM is served them well
3) Used PPB but cant see the benefits
4) Used PPB and think its helped them

Also, if you have questions about PPB for your TDS tap water area, in fact any question at all and you would like a PPB answer, post it here and we will use the answer to get the question

BTW we did a full talk through video on the Zero PPB system - this might drum up some questions or comments you might like to post here.

http://youtu.be/wJkHKsC6670

[Don Kee]

I imagine PPB water is more soluble and so breaks down dirt 'quicker' ?
Because if its just the case that there is less solid in the water, PPM suffices so why do we need to filter more?

[Lee Burbidge]

I imagine PPB water is more soluble and so breaks down dirt 'quicker' ?
Because if its just the case that there is less solid in the water, PPM suffices so why do we need to filter more?

Users claim it helps with infrequent cleans... your thoughts?

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I imagine PPB water is more soluble and so breaks down dirt 'quicker' ?
Because if its just the case that there is less solid in the water, PPM suffices so why do we need to filter more?

Users claim it helps with infrequent cleans... your thoughts?

My thoughts are it's BULL!!!

Marketing tripe from the kings of it!! False justification of both the system & it's price tag!!

[rosskesava]

My thoughts are it's BULL!!!

Marketing tripe from the kings of it!! False justification of both the system & it's price tag!!

I couldn't agree more.

What next, one part per trillion?

[Lee Burbidge]

I imagine PPB water is more soluble and so breaks down dirt 'quicker' ?
Because if its just the case that there is less solid in the water, PPM suffices so why do we need to filter more?

Users claim it helps with infrequent cleans... your thoughts?

My thoughts are it's BULL!!!

Marketing tripe from the kings of it!! False justification of both the system & it's price tag!!

Have you tried a demo of such a machine?

[concept]

Haven't tried one, nor do I feel I need to.

You can only brush and rinse as fast your arms can go, and on maintenance cleans, one pass is all that's needed, so, nor needed for that.

One offs and infrequent cleans, you need to agitate the dirt, which then runs off the glass, leaving 000ppm on the glass. The water doesn't dissolve dirt, it merely is a vehicle to gather the dust etc and take it off the surface by rinsing. PPB water left in the glass will only result in the same finish if rinsed sufficiently.

[robert mitchell]

Haven't tried one, nor do I feel I need to.

You can only brush and rinse as fast your arms can go, and on maintenance cleans, one pass is all that's needed, so, nor needed for that.

One offs and infrequent cleans, you need to agitate the dirt, which then runs off the glass, leaving 000ppm on the glass. The water doesn't dissolve dirt, it merely is a vehicle to gather the dust etc and take it off the surface by rinsing. PPB water left in the glass will only result in the same finish if rinsed sufficiently.

Totally agree .

They are masters of marketing .

[premier window cleaners]

We have Ionics ppb static system. Everything is automated, we're saving money on filters and resin. It's a great bit of kit. Gives us the edge on infrequent cleans

[robert mitchell]

I prefer a simple system , easy to fix .

I can see advantages to the automation though and there kit is very well made and customer service excellent .

Cant see it giving much if any speed advantage though .

[Frankybadboy]

how does it give the edge on  infrequent cleans ,than lets say a hot water system which is god know how much cheaper.


everyone say how good hot is on 1st clean

so can you please explain you findings

[concept]

We have Ionics ppb static system. Everything is automated, we're saving money on filters and resin. It's a great bit of kit. Gives us the edge on infrequent cleans

My static system is fully automated also...

[Small but perfectley formed]

Old hat I sent out many replays from June @ gaps water PPB is probably pure bull!

[Don Kee]

I imagine PPB water is more soluble and so breaks down dirt 'quicker' ?
Because if its just the case that there is less solid in the water, PPM suffices so why do we need to filter more?

Users claim it helps with infrequent cleans... your thoughts?

I cannot imagine it helps enough to warrant the cost...
No more better than hot PPM...
Surely there comes a point where you cant physically clean any faster, no matter what you use, so unless you squirt PPB at dirt, and the dirt runs away i personally cant see the point...
Others may disagree though

[PoleKing]

I wonder how many tradders said that WFP wouldn't work.
Until they tried it.

Personally, I shall await Lee's findings.
As far as I know he has no vested interest so will be impartial.

We don't know, it may make us more money.
I'm up for that.

[Darranvps]

We are thinking of buying the top end ppb stainless steel hot system
It would be interesting to see comments

[concept]

I wonder how many tradders said that WFP wouldn't work.
Until they tried it.

Personally, I shall await Lee's findings.
As far as I know he has no vested interest so will be impartial.

We don't know, it may make us more money.
I'm up for that.

How will it make you more money?

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I wonder how many tradders said that WFP wouldn't work.
Until they tried it.

Personally, I shall await Lee's findings.
As far as I know he has no vested interest so will be impartial.

We don't know, it may make us more money.
I'm up for that.

How will it make you more money?

Because Ionics say it will!!!!!!!!!!

[PoleKing]

I wonder how many tradders said that WFP wouldn't work.
Until they tried it.

Personally, I shall await Lee's findings.
As far as I know he has no vested interest so will be impartial.

We don't know, it may make us more money.
I'm up for that.

How will it make you more money?

Won't know till I've tried it.

WFP makes more money than trad.
Fibreglass poles more than ali
Carbon more than fibreglass
Hot water than cold
That's the thing-we don't know till we try...

[concept]

I wonder how many tradders said that WFP wouldn't work.
Until they tried it.

Personally, I shall await Lee's findings.
As far as I know he has no vested interest so will be impartial.

We don't know, it may make us more money.
I'm up for that.

How will it make you more money?

Won't know till I've tried it.

WFP makes more money than trad.
Fibreglass poles more than ali
Carbon more than fibreglass
Hot water than cold
That's the thing-we don't know till we try...

Surely you can see the differences between your comparisons and a PPB v PPM system though?

I may be wrong, however, look at what I wrote previously. If in fact these systems are PROVEN to save enough time on cleaning, therefore earning you more money, provided you have the work to fill the time saved of course...

Now, let's for arguments sake say it saved you 30 minutes per day, at say what £30 per hour? So that's £15 extra you can earn, provided you have work to do of course, or you get home 30 mins earlier.

Cost of system? £10,000?

So Gould need to do 666.67 days do earn its money, based on 240 working days a year, it's nearly 3 years to make it pay for itself.