[bobplum]

more traditional forms of cleaning!!!
A friend of mine had a lot of work for sale a mix of traditional and WFP, all the Trad work has gone and no one wants to buy the WFP work , approximately £3,000 a month still for sale in Widnes
The guys buying the trad work are WFP windys!! and have all said the same that customers prefer it and are picking up work this way, could be a regional thing

[landy2]

i find some like it and some dont , also depends on type of house 3 storey never would consider going back trad lost a couple to a trad as i would not do it but thats saftey for me , leadead windows never would go trad , i do use ladder often were it suits me , but at the end of the day wfp doeas a better job its just converting folk and convincing them some folk are just stuck in their ways or just dont like us having a easy day , i just take it as it comes a bit of both 

[KLEENAWAY]

Is this Stuarts work mate? I offered to buy some work but he never got back to me. He said he wants to sell it all in one go or something. I wanted nearly £1000 of the £3000 work

Danny

[home6442]

When you hear statements like wfp does a better job then you can understand why
wfp gets a bad reputation in certain areas.
Any good window cleaner knows that a clean window is a clean window
and a clean frame is a clean frame, it doesn't matter what method you use as long as you achieve this.
I honestly believe that there are certain areas where wfp doesn't do a very good job ( frame design ) and if your
unlucky enough to live in a area like this then trad cleaning is going to win every time.
Unfortunately I live in such an area about 30% of the windows I clean don't come up well using wfp.
I see wfp guys fail time and time again because they are unaware of this.

[gary999]

i have one window in a blue moon that doesnt come up with
wfp.

went it happens i put a squeegee on a pole and dry the window
no reason why anyone using wfp should fail apart from user error

using wfp def has advantages over trad...especially with the range
of work you can do with just the one tool

from windows fascia gutter statics, tourers ,ive even cleaned a couple
of boats

all more easily cleaned safely and with less physical effort

[home6442]

i have one window in a blue moon that doesnt come up with
wfp.

went it happens i put a squeegee on a pole and dry the window
no reason why anyone using wfp should fail apart from user error

using wfp def has advantages over trad...especially with the range
of work you can do with just the one tool

from windows fascia gutter statics, tourers ,ive even cleaned a couple
of boats

all more easily cleaned safely and with less physical effort

Same old, same old, yes its always user error well I suppose wfp is very similar to rocket science.
They work with rockets and we use jets.

[bobplum]

Is this Stuarts work mate? I offered to buy some work but he never got back to me. He said he wants to sell it all in one go or something. I wanted nearly £1000 of the £3000 work

Danny

yes it is danny
i think he wanted to do it all in one go for a business he wanted to get into, not sure what the position is
give a call on 07557739221 and see what the score is
bob

[trippyboy]

Anyone who buys the wfp work could convert it back to trad,wheres the prob?

[gary999]

i have one window in a blue moon that doesnt come up with
wfp.

went it happens i put a squeegee on a pole and dry the window
no reason why anyone using wfp should fail apart from user error

using wfp def has advantages over trad...especially with the range
of work you can do with just the one tool

from windows fascia gutter statics, tourers ,ive even cleaned a couple
of boats

all more easily cleaned safely and with less physical effort

Same old, same old, yes its always user error well I suppose wfp is very similar to rocket science.
They work with rockets and we use jets.

was that sarcasm..oh right

ive seen plenty who dont do the job right and i have had quite a few
new customers over time when i have gone to quote who were not
keen on me using wfp because they have had problems with spotting
and streaks from other cleaners...ive managed to convince 80% to give
me a whirl(other 20% well you cant turn everyone round) and 99%
of the time i have gained a long term customer.

you are bound to get frames glass etc that is not 100% suited
to wfp,you just adapt to the problem..i have properties which i clean
where an individual window just doesnt take to wfp...should i flap
and dump the pole muttering this wfp malarkey is poope and go and
get my ladders...or should i just stick a squeegee on a pole and give it
a quick drying off.

on wet and windy days when wfp can be difficult..i dry off all wndows
it slows me down a little but hey im still working and the customers
still happy.

no system is fool proof..but iron out any potential problems before
or as they are happening you cant go wrong.

yep...its not rocket science...its common sense

[rosskesava]

I've had the same as Gary999.

I've picked up jobs where the customer has moaned about the previous wfp window cleaner doing a bad job and it usually starts off along the lines of 'he was only ever here 5 minutes....'

That one comment seems to be a reoccurring theme.

With those customers I always take longer for the first clean and for a few cleans after that I take my time. Then when the customer has confidence I do a good job, then it's full steam ahead as usual.

I've never gone over windows with a squeegie to dry them off though but if I thought that was needed, I would.

[home6442]

Garry. Sorry about the sarcasm, but I get fed up with guys on here coming out
with statements like user error or its just a stupid customer when someone dares say anything negative
about wfp.
Yes I know there are plenty who don't do the job right, and most will make more cash than both
of us.
But I also know that a lot of frames/windows don't clean well using wfp methods.
Just because you only have one or two doesn't mean that somebody else cant have ten, twenty or even
more.
Yes I have different tricks that sort some of my problem frames and some I just trad.
I am not saying that there are not guys out there making a good living using wfp methods of course there are.
The question was why are some windys are going back to trad methods and I believe that problem frames could be
one of the reasons.
Not because they were too stupid to do it right.

[TheWindowManChris]

I will use WFP or Trad where I think it needs done.   I know few lads never does Trad but they should be but rather do WFP.

I find anyone who says 'I hope you don't use that brush thing'  I will give them a live demo of Brush vs Trad and most say 'Oh they give same sort result eh'  Plus I do and tell my team to do the same if somebody comments that last guy was not here long.

[gary999]

Garry. Sorry about the sarcasm, but I get fed up with guys on here coming out
with statements like user error or its just a stupid customer when someone dares say anything negative
about wfp.
Yes I know there are plenty who don't do the job right, and most will make more cash than both
of us.
But I also know that a lot of frames/windows don't clean well using wfp methods.
Just because you only have one or two doesn't mean that somebody else cant have ten, twenty or even
more.
Yes I have different tricks that sort some of my problem frames and some I just trad.
I am not saying that there are not guys out there making a good living using wfp methods of course there are.
The question was why are some windys are going back to trad methods and I believe that problem frames could be
one of the reasons.
Not because they were too stupid to do it right.

sorry mate i disagree wfp isnt a cure all but is a brilliant tool
in the right hands sometimes you have to adapt and adjust your
work practises to suit the situation.

they are either unwilling or unable to do this and thats why they
fail

[dannymack]

I've been cleaning an office for 9 years now wfp it has the brown metal frames and still spots even with hot wash the same just one of those jobs, luckily enough no one complains. My opinion some jobs come up better with the squeegee but in all the wfp is better as the frames get cleaned which make the windows look cleaner.

The best windows I find to clean with the pole are the white plastic come up lovely, my hate are old wooden frames if I come a cross I just get ladder out and squeegee them as the pole leaves them with lots of spotting and some heavy smears !!!

[dazmond]

what i do danny with wooden frame windows in poor condition is i miss the top frame and rinse an inch from the top of the glass.that seems to work.i do trad some ground floor windows though on some work as its easier.

i use both wfp and trad but no ladders for upper windows.i can clean a lot more upper windows wfp than i could with ladders.

ive lost the odd one or two customers to trad only lads but picked up more off them so win win for me.

[home6442]

Garry. Sorry about the sarcasm, but I get fed up with guys on here coming out
with statements like user error or its just a stupid customer when someone dares say anything negative
about wfp.
Yes I know there are plenty who don't do the job right, and most will make more cash than both
of us.
But I also know that a lot of frames/windows don't clean well using wfp methods.
Just because you only have one or two doesn't mean that somebody else cant have ten, twenty or even
more.
Yes I have different tricks that sort some of my problem frames and some I just trad.
I am not saying that there are not guys out there making a good living using wfp methods of course there are.
The question was why are some windys are going back to trad methods and I believe that problem frames could be
one of the reasons.
Not because they were too stupid to do it right.

sorry mate i disagree wfp isnt a cure all but is a brilliant tool
in the right hands sometimes you have to adapt and adjust your
work practises to suit the situation.

they are either unwilling or unable to do this and thats why they
fail

Garry if you are not willing to believe that problem openers exist and that some areas have more of them
than others then that's fair enough.
If the frame of an opener fills up with water and slowly leaks out on to the glass below after you have left
leaving runs, then all the adapting and adjusting in the world isn't  going to change this.
30% of the windows I clean do this when cleaned with wfp and they would still do it if cleaned by you
or anybody else.
So at the end of the day I have to clean them using trad methods.

[gary999]

Garry. Sorry about the sarcasm, but I get fed up with guys on here coming out
with statements like user error or its just a stupid customer when someone dares say anything negative
about wfp.
Yes I know there are plenty who don't do the job right, and most will make more cash than both
of us.
But I also know that a lot of frames/windows don't clean well using wfp methods.
Just because you only have one or two doesn't mean that somebody else cant have ten, twenty or even
more.
Yes I have different tricks that sort some of my problem frames and some I just trad.
I am not saying that there are not guys out there making a good living using wfp methods of course there are.
The question was why are some windys are going back to trad methods and I believe that problem frames could be
one of the reasons.
Not because they were too stupid to do it right.

sorry mate i disagree wfp isnt a cure all but is a brilliant tool
in the right hands sometimes you have to adapt and adjust your
work practises to suit the situation.

they are either unwilling or unable to do this and thats why they
fail

Garry if you are not willing to believe that problem openers exist and that some areas have more of them
than others then that's fair enough.
If the frame of an opener fills up with water and slowly leaks out on to the glass below after you have left
leaving runs, then all the adapting and adjusting in the world isn't  going to change this.
30% of the windows I clean do this when cleaned with wfp and they would still do it if cleaned by you
or anybody else.
So at the end of the day I have to clean them using trad methods.

oh well you know your work..but i guarantee i would find a solution
i could use from the ground

[home6442]

Gary I think we have got our wires crossed here I never trad from a ladder
well I sometimes use steps on the ground floors.
How I do 2nd floor problem openers is scrub them with the wet brush and blade them dry with
a squeegee on a pole.
I then wfp the glass underneath.
You are totally right there will always be a way to clean them from the ground.

[DG Cleaning]

John, I remember you saying in previous posts you have a lot of trouble using wfp.
30% is a massive amount though.
Do you have a pic of the type of window where you have issues?