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stevieg

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Using I bolts and harnesses.
« on: September 22, 2013, 08:04:12 pm »
Anybody have experience of using the above. Ie I have got to clean some sash windows using this method.
Do you fasten one side,climb on the sill and then someone else fastens the other side on?
Any ideas?

Sean Kelly

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2013, 08:45:38 pm »
Have you got a safe working at height ticket??

jimiwindows

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2013, 08:48:13 pm »
Harnesses have one lanyard not 2 just hook on and get out window.Make sure ibolts have been tested and have a date on if date is 2011 and not in date dont use

LBWCS

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2013, 08:52:06 pm »
I there any training courses available I would like the know how and paper work to back it up

PoleKing

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2013, 08:52:25 pm »
Harnesses have one lanyard not 2 just hook on and get out window.Make sure ibolts have been tested and have a date on if date is 2011 and not in date dont use

+1.

The ones we have done, we didn't actually climb out, just hung out and reached.
Stay inside if you can-probably less risk
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

stevieg

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2013, 08:53:55 pm »
HI thanks for replies. Tell me more about working height ticket thing!!

stuart mc

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2013, 08:54:22 pm »
yes stevie every month, just hook on then step out and clean, and check the dates on the tag

AJ

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2013, 09:06:21 pm »
No need to get out.
Use a set of steps on the inside.

Bottom half all the way down. Top half all the way down.
Over the top, clean all the outside of top half.

Bottom half, half way up.
Clean top half of bottom sash.

Top half all the way up. Bottom half, half way up.
From underneath clean bottom half of bottom sash.

rosskesava

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2013, 09:10:37 pm »
I wouldn't have thought a window sill would be classed as a safe working platform when harnessed to either one or two bolts on the inside of the building.

Having said that, in the recent past..........  ::)roll
Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

stuart mc

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2013, 09:16:33 pm »
the bolts are on the outside ross, you hook on prior to getting out, yes AJ is correct most can be done from inside, the ones I do are from a balcony so it just not a sill and the top floor is from a wide ledge just below the sill

Sean Kelly

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2013, 09:38:16 pm »
Look up safe working at height level 1

PoleKing

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2013, 10:22:47 pm »
The ones we did the bolts were on the inside.
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

home6442

Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2013, 10:45:24 pm »
I take it that you don't have any experience doing this sort of work hence the question.
If this is the case then you need to get proper training from the right people if not then leave well alone.
Personally theres not enough money in the country to get me out on a ledge connected to a harness.
Plenty of easy safe work in this game.

SPE

Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2013, 10:51:56 pm »
I take it that you don't have any experience doing this sort of work hence the question.
If this is the case then you need to get proper training from the right people if not then leave well alone.
Personally theres not enough money in the country to get me out on a ledge connected to a harness.
Plenty of easy safe work in this game.

agree with this, if you have to ask how on here then probably best to leave well alone.

rosskesava

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2013, 12:02:02 am »
I used to do a fair amount of roped access work - mainly window cleaning.

Sometimes before doing the job, especially if it was substantial sub contract work, there was usually a course of sorts to go on before hand apart from the usual on the day induction stuff.

The rule as I understood it was that for all exterior window cleaning, it's either ladders for work under 6m alone or 9m footed, and above that height it's a safe working platform, MEWP, etc, or a craddle or roped access and that's it.

Using window sills, no matter how big, were a big big big NO whether harnessed or not and for obvious reasons. Any company that allows window sills to be used as a safe platform for window cleaning regardless of the securing used for the worker is in serious breach of H & S.



Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

Small but perfectley formed

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2013, 07:21:04 am »
We did a 10 storey building for over 10 years PIA .
The eye bolts need to be tested I think annually .
The way we did them was push bottom sash up and lean out of window and clean pull back down then climb onto internal sill pill top sash down lean out and clean pull back up.
Spit and polish

jimiwindows

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2013, 04:03:57 pm »
If bolts are on outside dont use they must be on inside.

Llaaww

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2013, 07:21:47 pm »
Top tip: If you tie off onto a piece of furniture, make sure that it is bigger than the window. That way it will jam in the hole if you fall off.

If it is too small, not only will you fall all the way to the floor, bit said furniture will then land on you.
if it is dirty it is fair game

stuart mc

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2013, 07:26:40 pm »
If bolts are on outside dont use they must be on inside.

if that is true why are companies still fitting them outside and certifying them annually?

rosskesava

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Re: Using I bolts and harnesses.
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2013, 07:35:23 pm »
I could be wrong on this but I only ever seen those bolts for securing a ladder to on the outside but never ones for a harness unless it's right up at the very top.
Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.