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Spruce

  • Posts: 8647
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2013, 03:33:50 pm »
I think 'silent lurkers' is a little unfair!. I have only been using this forum for a short time, but here are few points which could explain what you are noticing.

1, The times were I have contributed to a thread, my comments seem go largely ignored. To those with a skin not quite as thick as mine, this apparent clique-ness might be a little off-putting, and doesn't exactly encourage people to take part.

2, I have often looked at a thread title, clicked on it, but found it wasn't about what I thought it was.

3, If a thread has a lot of posts, it is going to take some time to sift through these and decide whether or not you have anything to contribute to the discussion.

4, Finally(!), and this is especially so if taking into account the previous comment, taking part in a discussion can take up a lot of time, an hour can be sucked out of your day just like that!. Those who have a lot of other demands on their time, just find it easier to have a look at what is being said, whether or not there are useful hints or comments being made to make their lives easier. They may simply not be able to take part, even if they might like to.

This does not, in my opinion, make 'silent lurkers' the undesirable element you seem to be implying. We are all different, and not necessarily looking for the same out of a forum as you!.

Simon,

I'm one of those who would have appeared to have ignored some of your postings, but I can ussure you I haven't. There have been a couple of excellent posts you have made recently with regard to payload of vans and using a car rather than a fit for purpose van which were truely exceptional.

I appreciated those posts as you put them in writing far better than I have done previously. My failure was to recognise that in a reciprical post, which I'm sorry about.  I wish we had some sort of 'excellent post' button we could click to highlight a good post.

Please keep it up.

Thanks
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Frankybadboy

  • Posts: 9024
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2013, 04:02:43 pm »
iam saying nothing ;D ;D ;D

marc

  • Posts: 516
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2013, 04:31:55 pm »
I've been a member since 2006 but don't post too often as I'm not too great typing and all too often I'm happy just reading  the topics that are being discussed and laughing at some of you guys when ya throw ya toys out the pram ,it's a shame everyone's views can't be respected as we have lost a lot of members over the years when some one shouts them down , but it is interesting to see the different views on here
Marc

Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2013, 04:44:45 pm »
Well said marc. for someone with typing problems you deliver a good message, well bone.

formb

Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2013, 04:58:45 pm »
Simon's post is interesting. When I first posted here I felt the same, 4 years on maybe I would be viewed as part of the clique? I certainly don't feel part of a clique.

A thank you button would be a good idea.

JNESTIE

  • Posts: 35
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2013, 05:04:37 pm »
I must me classed as a silent lurker :). As I am relatively new to the forum and window cleaning I rarely get the opportunity to add anything of interest to the subjects. I have however picked up a lot of useful tips on window cleaning and the running of my business (thank you all) and as I gain more experience I hope to add my opinion more often.
So please be patient with us "silent lurkers" we might just be a bit shy ;)

Simon Mess

  • Posts: 1097
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2013, 05:17:50 pm »
I think 'silent lurkers' is a little unfair!. I have only been using this forum for a short time, but here are few points which could explain what you are noticing.

1, The times were I have contributed to a thread, my comments seem go largely ignored. To those with a skin not quite as thick as mine, this apparent clique-ness might be a little off-putting, and doesn't exactly encourage people to take part.

2, I have often looked at a thread title, clicked on it, but found it wasn't about what I thought it was.

3, If a thread has a lot of posts, it is going to take some time to sift through these and decide whether or not you have anything to contribute to the discussion.

4, Finally(!), and this is especially so if taking into account the previous comment, taking part in a discussion can take up a lot of time, an hour can be sucked out of your day just like that!. Those who have a lot of other demands on their time, just find it easier to have a look at what is being said, whether or not there are useful hints or comments being made to make their lives easier. They may simply not be able to take part, even if they might like to.

This does not, in my opinion, make 'silent lurkers' the undesirable element you seem to be implying. We are all different, and not necessarily looking for the same out of a forum as you!.

Simon,

I'm one of those who would have appeared to have ignored some of your postings, but I can ussure you I haven't. There have been a couple of excellent posts you have made recently with regard to payload of vans and using a car rather than a fit for purpose van which were truely exceptional.

I appreciated those posts as you put them in writing far better than I have done previously. My failure was to recognise that in a reciprical post, which I'm sorry about.  I wish we had some sort of 'excellent post' button we could click to highlight a good post.

Please keep it up.

Thanks
Hi spruce, very kind words, but I really wasn't complaining about it, just offering a couple of suggestions as to why smithie is seeing what he is seeing. Ultimately, on all forums, certainly all the ones I have taken part in, there is always a massive difference in the amount of members (silent lurkers) who just read a thread, than contributers. I really don't see it as an issue, but I felt obliged to offer an opinion, from the point of view of someone who hasn't been using this forum for long. Apologies to anyone who took offence to my use of clique-ness, that is perhaps a little harsh, but from what I have seen and read, there seems to be a group of maybe a dozen members, who all seem to know each other well, and have a bit of banter or whatever, which is fine. Point is, they always seem to just respond to each others comments, as opposed to anyone elses. For someone new to the forum, trying to elbow their way into this, probably seems as intimidating as going up to a group of strangers in a pub and just joining in the conversation!.

Here, for what it is worth, is a couple of other points which I feel would help.

1, An section for new members to introduce themselves and be welcomed by existing members might help break the ice?.

2, During the process of registering, it states you must use your own, or company name as a user name. Firstly, why?, this in itself could well put off potential members. As long as the people who run the forum know who you are, I don't see why you cant use whatever user name you want. Secondly, having read this, and used my own name for my user name, I come on to the forum to find members such as frankybadboy and smudger, surely this is their own, or company names?!. So what is all that about?.

Llaaww

  • Posts: 2260
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2013, 07:03:36 pm »

Thanks
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2, During the process of registering, it states you must use your own, or company name as a user name. Firstly, why?, this in itself could well put off potential members. As long as the people who run the forum know who you are, I don't see why you cant use whatever user name you want. Secondly, having read this, and used my own name for my user name, I come on to the forum to find members such as frankybadboy and smudger, surely this is their own, or company names?!. So what is all that about?.
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Some time back there was a bit of a spat where threats were made. Things got a bit heated, and people were banned. As usual the people involved were anonymous, so the powers that be felt that it would be best for people to be open and honest about who they were.

So many people objected that nothing was really done about enforcing the real name policy, in fact it spawned a whole new generation of silly names.
if it is dirty it is fair game

Dave Willis

Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2013, 07:11:50 pm »
I would never use my own name.

koopmaster

  • Posts: 498
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2013, 07:27:36 pm »
I read a lot of the posts but its to learn stuff or just to know whats going on.  Most the time I have heard  the same thing before but if its a new question and I know the answer then I tend to comment.

tlwcs

  • Posts: 2162
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2013, 07:38:22 pm »

Thanks

2, During the process of registering, it states you must use your own, or company name as a user name. Firstly, why?, this in itself could well put off potential members. As long as the people who run the forum know who you are, I don't see why you cant use whatever user name you want. Secondly, having read this, and used my own name for my user name, I come on to the forum to find members such as frankybadboy and smudger, surely this is their own, or company names?!. So what is all that about?.
[/quote]



Some time back there was a bit of a spat where threats were made. Things got a bit heated, and people were banned. As usual the people involved were anonymous, so the powers that be felt that it would be best for people to be open and honest about who they were.

So many people objected that nothing was really done about enforcing the real name policy, in fact it spawned a whole new generation of silly names.
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I was Isac Hunt and Joe King but was asked to change them. aw happy days, it was a happier place then.

AJ

  • Posts: 1262
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2013, 09:11:49 pm »
I think a lot of the time people view the thread cos they think they have something to contribute, but after reading it, they realise somebody has given the same reply already.
Eitherf that or they ust want to find out the answer for themselves.

MATT BATEMAN (OWC)

  • Posts: 1821
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2013, 09:25:10 pm »
Can't be arsed anymore. In the last 2 months my life has taken a massive U- turn and I've got far more important and worthwhile things to spend my with.

Frankybadboy

  • Posts: 9024
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2013, 09:32:28 pm »
Can't be arsed anymore. In the last 2 months my life has taken a massive U- turn and I've got far more important and worthwhile things to spend my with.
like sitting on a saddle,


livin the dream that matt

colin stee1e

  • Posts: 56
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2013, 10:12:44 pm »
Stated explaining why then thought' I can't be fxxked. This happens a lot.


Tadgh O Shea

Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2013, 11:55:05 pm »
Hi Guys, Maybe its because i am from the other side of the pond but i would also agree that there can be cliques on the different sections of this forum, now having been in the industry since 1982 i have developed thick skin and can handle cliques which i think its fair to say can be found on many other forums to. I do think it would be much better if members used their proper names or company names and email addresses as there could be some very productive networking shared on private emails, this is my experience as i have developed some very good clients from this forum by guys emailing us direct as if they dont want other members to know that they are doing business with us which of course i wont complain about, on saying that i have picked up some great tips and techniques from this forum since joining and am very appreciative of them as it has helped us to develop other new business and clients.

Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2013, 05:24:32 am »
My dad used to keep lurchers .they didn't say much either .they were pretty good out working tho .

Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2013, 06:16:30 am »
+ 1 like the lurchers one. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2013, 01:26:25 pm »
I think I will become a lurcher as well. At least your head does not get shot off. I am now going on a lurch to eat my sarnies  and a cup of tea.  message from my Nockie 1610 brick.or my b phone.

stuart mc

  • Posts: 7775
Re: The silent mass of lurkers on the forum.
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2013, 01:31:45 pm »
you do know a lurcher is a dog right?