[richywilts]

this was my point in the original post

accidents happens when using a pole at height an angle adaptor may snap

i can live with that and buy replacements

but when stong heavy duty ladder clamps built to not be smashed off to keep ladders safe are snapped in two thats neglect and carelessness which i think staff should pay for

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

I suppose on the bright side if you ask them to carry out a task and they snap a nail or stub a toe they could turn the tables and sue you for the roof over your head.

What I gather from some of the guys that employee on here is you only want your staff to be able to clean without complaint from the customers, they want them to be honest with the companies money and the customers belongings, without skiving, on time, with no smoke breaks, without nicking the companies work; then pay them peanuts AND they expect them to be able to think.

 

[Tom White]

D'you think the Army charge soldiers for a new tank when the one they're in gets written off ?
 

You get disciplined if you damage equipment; it's put on a NMD Form (Negligence, Misuse, and Damage Report), and you would lose out financially.  You go in front of your boss, no coffee, get quizzed, and if found guilty, you would lose money direct from your pay.

Normally if you crash a vehicle and it's found that you're at fault, you'd be charged the equivalent of an increase in insurance premium.

I've lost a fair whack of money over the years for urinated mattresses, crashed vehicles, lost army identity cards, and knacking a bayonet (I used it as a chisel and then it wouldn't fit on the end of the rifle).  If you lose equipment you get billed for it too.  If it's over a certain amount you get charged, disciplined, and also billed for it.

[Richard iSparkle]

I suppose on the bright side if you ask them to carry out a task and they snap a nail or stub a toe they could turn the tables and sue you for the roof over your head.

What I gather from some of the guys that employee on here is you only want your staff to be able to clean without complaint from the customers, they want them to be honest with the companies money and the customers belongings, without skiving, on time, with no smoke breaks, without nicking the companies work; then pay them peanuts AND they expect them to be able to think.

 

what's unreasonable there?

i don't pay peanuts tho.  just give them a min wage basic with bonus' for doing their job properly

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

what's unreasonable there?

I just think half the guys on here who employ pay dreadful money but expect more than they pay for. If I paid someone what guys on here tend to offer up as their rate I'd expect an idiot and I would think I'd got what I asked for. It wouldnt surprise me in the least if I were to pay £7.00-£8.00 an hour and they damaged the company equipment. You wont have paid them an appropriate wage to think or figure things out.

It is against employment law to pay minimum wage and then make further deductions resulting in the wage rate being below the national minimum wage 

https://www.gov.uk/understanding-your-pay/deductions-from-your-pay

[richywilts]

what's unreasonable there?

I just think half the guys on here who employ pay dreadful money but expect more than they pay for. If I paid someone what guys on here tend to offer up as their rate I'd expect an idiot and I would think I'd got what I asked for. It wouldnt surprise me in the least if I were to pay £7.00-£8.00 an hour and they damaged the company equipment. You wont have paid them an appropriate wage to think or figure things out.

It is against employment law to pay minimum wage and then make further deductions resulting in the wage rate being below the national minimum wage 

https://www.gov.uk/understanding-your-pay/deductions-from-your-pay

you cant pay great wages matt its a semi skilled job, when you employ you have to consider holiday pay etc for small firms when losing a man or two for a week holiday its hard to earn there wage with out them being there cleaning

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

you need to factor that into your pricing Richy.

I pay £10.00 an hour to Darren which includes any time if we stop for lunch. Darren earns me approximately £100 a day after costs. I allow for ALL costs in my pricing. If he breaks something accidentally I pay for it; I take ALL the profits thus I accept I have to bear ANY costs. I employ him, we don't have a working partnership. If he breaks something wilfully we'll have a chat. If it happens again he's down the road.


I treat people as I would wish to be treated. That involves remuneration.

Im happy with the rewards I get from employing him. I think £100 per man per day is good profit. Correct me if Im wrong.

[C o z y]

you need to factor that into your pricing Richy.

I pay £10.00 an hour to Darren which includes any time if we stop for lunch. Darren earns me approximately £100 a day after costs. I allow for ALL costs in my pricing. If he breaks something accidentally I pay for it; I take ALL the profits thus I accept I have to bear ANY costs. I employ him, we don't have a working partnership. If he breaks something wilfully we'll have a chat. If it happens again he's down the road.


I treat people as I would wish to be treated. That involves remuneration.

Im happy with the rewards I get from employing him. I think £100 per man per day is good profit. Correct me if Im wrong.

Sounds good to me. However, I couldn't work more than an hour or so a day with a mong like you though.

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

I have trouble with me too.


 

[C o z y]

Richy, have them do that great Groupon work you picked up, that should make them think twice before breaking stuff, 10 quid a gutter, you're covered then!! 

[Dean Taberner]

I find that 10 bags of these a month keep all of my staff happy.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/13KG-BAG-PEANUTS-FOR-BIRDFOOD/dp/B001M4AHJW/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

[Richard iSparkle]

Im happy with the rewards I get from employing him. I think £100 per man per day is good profit. Correct me if Im wrong.

You're wrong!  That's not good profit no 

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

I think thats good profit actually.

What figure would you think a company should aim for as profit per man?

[Richard iSparkle]

I think thats good profit actually.

What figure would you think a company should aim for as profit per man?

£200 - £250  per day is what I aim for, depending on if theyre a one man or two man team

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

 

No, I didn't ask what you aim for. I asked what profit you make per man per day; as you think £100 isnt a reaasonable figure.


Going by the figures you quote you'll be looking at making something like £50,000 per man annually, minimum; AS PROFIT.

Sole traders dont do that kind of money as a rule before costs let alone PROFIT.

[Richard iSparkle]

No, I didn't ask what you aim for. I asked what profit you make per man per day; as you think £100 isnt a reaasonable figure.

hi Matt

i was meaning profit we aim for £200 - £250 after costs per day

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

So between two of them thats how much per man?

[richywilts]

richs men do about 300 a day on there own he prices very well and think they have little paperwork to do as all standing order

[Richard iSparkle]

So between two of them thats how much per man?

one on his own profit £250

two man team profit £400

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

Per day?