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jim mca

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Re: Waste tank help.
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2013, 09:34:18 pm »
Gary

Would your van insurance cover you for a home made machine installed in your van

gaz1984mcc

  • Posts: 194
Re: Waste tank help.
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2013, 09:43:01 pm »
Tbh Jim I'm not sure but I dot see how it's much different to having any other type of machine in the van. Because nothing is going to be bolted down in the van apart from the tanks. And If it were to set on fire then fare enough but I'm sure there would be a fare few questions asked if the same were to happen with a tm in the van. Don't forget it really is just 4 vacs and a pump with a couple of tanks.

Gary

gaz1984mcc

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Re: Waste tank help.
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2013, 08:59:50 pm »
Right got my initial problem sorted today regarding getting a waste tank. I've just picked up today scorpion waste and water tanks including the frame for £200 which I'm pretty chuffed with. Now I've been weighing up which way to go about building my van mounted system. I've been thinking of 2 ways I could do it.

First option is as I originally thought 2 x 2 three stage vacuums in series parallel. With a 500 psi pumptec pump all mounted in the van. I already have a v2 steam mate. So i would use that closer to the wand for better heat.

Second option 2 x 6.6 vacs mounted in the van next to the waste tanks. But this time I was thinking of adding a a Jaguar cub so I can use it as a through booster and also for those smaller jobs or upholstery. I know the cub has a 300 psi pump but I reckon with the v2 steam mate it should be enough the dirtiest of carpets even though it may take a while longer.

What do you guys think would be best way to go about making my van mounted system.

Thank you

Gary

john martin

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Re: Waste tank help.
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2013, 09:21:58 pm »
Right got my initial problem sorted today regarding getting a waste tank. I've just picked up today scorpion waste and water tanks including the frame for £200 which I'm pretty chuffed with. Now I've been weighing up which way to go about building my van mounted system. I've been thinking of 2 ways I could do it.

First option is as I originally thought 2 x 2 three stage vacuums in series parallel. With a 500 psi pumptec pump all mounted in the van. I already have a v2 steam mate. So i would use that closer to the wand for better heat.

Second option 2 x 6.6 vacs mounted in the van next to the waste tanks. But this time I was thinking of adding a a Jaguar cub so I can use it as a through booster and also for those smaller jobs or upholstery. I know the cub has a 300 psi pump but I reckon with the v2 steam mate it should be enough the dirtiest of carpets even though it may take a while longer.

What do you guys think would be best way to go about making my van mounted system.

Thank you

Gary


I think if you are going to build an ETM you should give it more power than aPorty , after all space is not a limiting factor .
Two 6.6 in parallel will have relatively low lift  , you'd be better to raise the suction especially pulling through a big tank .
If you want to use two 6.6 ..  the second (series) set of motors don't have to as powerful ,  ie you can combine each 6.6 with say a 1200w three stage which only draws about 5 amps ... giving you 13 amps percord , your pump is only around one amp .
You could also run a separate vac hose for each pair to the waste tank , giving you the option to run one cord if you get very close occasionally .

or just go with your original 4 three stages ... 
Two 6.6 will have 1280airwatts
four 1400w lamb three stages will have 1800 airwatts.

gaz1984mcc

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Re: Waste tank help.
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2013, 06:10:50 pm »
Right I think I'm gonna go with my original idea of 4 x 3 stage vacs. And I still might sell my ninja and grace machines and get a cub. As i think it could come in really handy without taking up to much space.
John have you built your own machine in the past because you seem to know quite a fair bit mate?

Thanks

Gary

john martin

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Re: Waste tank help.
« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2013, 07:09:37 pm »
Right I think I'm gonna go with my original idea of 4 x 3 stage vacs. And I still might sell my ninja and grace machines and get a cub. As i think it could come in really handy without taking up to much space.
John have you built your own machine in the past because you seem to know quite a fair bit mate?

Thanks

Gary

I have built several in my head !  ;D
I did start one a while back , got some metal fabricated , drilled some position holes and picked up four 5.7s  :)   but i never got round to completing as yet .
The 4 5.7s should work well , i'd make sure to get the 1400w as they have more lift ... iv seen some 1200w advertised as 1400w so look out for that .This is the 1400w ...
http://www.1st4cleaningsupplies.co.uk/products/workshop/spare_parts_motors_pumps/vacuummotor573stage230v/

gaz1984mcc

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Re: Waste tank help.
« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2013, 07:17:09 pm »
Thanks for the link John. Hopefully mate you'll get round to complete your ETM build  :)

Jim_77

Re: Waste tank help.
« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2013, 11:23:41 pm »
Gary take a look inside your current electric portables and see how much extra stuff is in there apart from just the vacs and pump.  There's capacitors and other malarkey that I don't really understand fully, but you have to understand it's all there for a reason so I wouldn't just wire up 4 vac motors to the mains and hope it works!  What I would do is acquire two twin-vac machines that are being scrapped and take the wiring looms out of them.

Don't forget you'll need to consider cooling - twice as many vac motors = two cooling fans and plenty of thought to air flow in/out

In the past I used to run 2 ninjas paralelled together so have run pretty much the same configuration you're planning... it worked really well and that was only with 1.5" hose!  Don't choke your system with small bore plumbing - give your "box" two 2" vac outlets and fix a second 2" port to your waste tank.

There is one BIGGGGGG problem here though.  Those tanks you've bought are designed to be used with a portable that has its own waste tank and its own means of keeping foam and debris out of the vac stacks.  If you just build 4 vac motors into a box and connect them on to one of these tanks, you need to put some serious consideration into this problem.  You don't want to just connect a pair of vacs straight through to the tank because you'll be blowing vacs left right and centre.

Just an idea that's popped in to my head... you could butcher a Ninja or something similar..... cut the vertical back panel off the fresh tank and mount your extra pair of vacs in there, soehow use the ninja's waste tank with stack pipes and ball & cage shut-offs.  Hmmm, thinking as I type, might not be very easy.

You could adapt the scorpion tanks with two stack pipes that come up through the bottom of it, basically the same as in a ninja or similar.  That should work ???

I bet this is going to be a lot more complicated than you first thought :)

gaz1984mcc

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Re: Waste tank help.
« Reply #48 on: April 02, 2013, 05:11:45 pm »
I did think about using tearing apart my backup grace for the project at least for the wiring.
I know what you mean about the tanks it could be a problem but I do think I can adapt them. My ninja uses a float system with a large filter. However the grace just uses a a drainer on the end of the stack with just a bit of sponge and does the same thing so I may just use a bit if sponge lol. Thanks for the advice Jim  ;)

Gary