[Crystal-clear]

We had a bit of a mixed response and thank everyone for input but I just want to know how many people here talk to customers about turning inverters off getting your insurances updated and all that and how many poll simply turn up and wfp it ?
So far I'm getting the vibe of just turn up n clean , I really don't want to worry Bout damaging her panels or yes getting a shock so solar has kinda put me off to the point I'm thinking about not doing it lol ! So really guys please get involved with the poll !

[telfordwindowclnr]

We had a bit of a mixed response and thank everyone for input but I just want to know how many people here talk to customers about turning inverters off getting your insurances updated and all that and how many poll simply turn up and wfp it ?
So far I'm getting the vibe of just turn up n clean , I really don't want to worry Bout damaging her panels or yes getting a shock so solar has kinda put me off to the point I'm thinking about not doing it lol ! So really guys please get involved with the poll !

I'm gonna watch this one closely. It will be interesting....
The trend so far is worrying. 

[Steve Sed]

We had a bit of a mixed response and thank everyone for input but I just want to know how many people here talk to customers about turning inverters off getting your insurances updated and all that and how many poll simply turn up and wfp it ?
So far I'm getting the vibe of just turn up n clean , I really don't want to worry Bout damaging her panels or yes getting a shock so solar has kinda put me off to the point I'm thinking about not doing it lol ! So really guys please get involved with the poll !

I'm gonna watch this one closely. It will be interesting....
The trend so far is worrying. 

...and getting patronising.   

[telfordwindowclnr]

We had a bit of a mixed response and thank everyone for input but I just want to know how many people here talk to customers about turning inverters off getting your insurances updated and all that and how many poll simply turn up and wfp it ?
So far I'm getting the vibe of just turn up n clean , I really don't want to worry Bout damaging her panels or yes getting a shock so solar has kinda put me off to the point I'm thinking about not doing it lol ! So really guys please get involved with the poll !

I'm gonna watch this one closely. It will be interesting....
The trend so far is worrying. 

...and getting patronising.   

Sorry. Didn't mean it to be....

[R.C Property]

at the end of the day they are only domestic properties and there is no way to turn the power off to make them 100% safe without:-
destroying them, covering them up, or wait till sun goes in.

commercail set ups where there are 100+ then things should be done diffrently. but still even then, each panel is still producing power no mater what you turn off!

i think what the worrying part is that some people dont know how solar panels work and where all the electric is being produced! and the wiring of them!

[James archell]

I was interested in Solar Steves earlier comments about double glazing units leaking and comparing them to solar panel units. Surely double glazed units have no safety standards to adhere to when it comes to preventing water ingress, whereas a leaking solar panel has the capacity to kill.

Do you think they're built to the same standard Steve?

[telfordwindowclnr]

at the end of the day they are only domestic properties and there is no way to turn the power off to make them 100% safe without:-
destroying them, covering them up, or wait till sun goes in.

commercail set ups where there are 100+ then things should be done diffrently. but still even then, each panel is still producing power no mater what you turn off!

i think what the worrying part is that some people dont know how solar panels work and where all the electric is being produced! and the wiring of them!

I agree RC. People don't know how they are wired etc. Even though a panel may produce power though, it will not electrocute you.  But why would 100+ panels be done differently than a domestic with 16?

[telfordwindowclnr]

I was interested in Solar Steves earlier comments about double glazing units leaking and comparing them to solar panel units. Surely double glazed units have no safety standards to adhere to when it comes to preventing water ingress, whereas a leaking solar panel has the capacity to kill.

Do you think they're built to the same standard Steve?

They won't be built to the same safety standard, but the principle of allowing water in over time is the same.  Some try to argue that a solar panel is a sealed unit and that it is impossible for water to get in. Like double glazed units, it is possible over the course of time for the solar panel seal to wear and then allow water in.

[James archell]

If water has already got in surely it'll blow the whole unit, why would it wait for a cleaner to appear?

[R.C Property]

at the end of the day they are only domestic properties and there is no way to turn the power off to make them 100% safe without:-
destroying them, covering them up, or wait till sun goes in.

commercail set ups where there are 100+ then things should be done diffrently. but still even then, each panel is still producing power no mater what you turn off!

i think what the worrying part is that some people dont know how solar panels work and where all the electric is being produced! and the wiring of them!

I agree RC. People don't know how they are wired etc. Even though a panel may produce power though, it will not electrocute you.  But why would 100+ panels be done differently than a domestic with 16?

just with the ammount of power that they are producing all together, its like a mini power plant, plus there are more safety laws that you have to comply with on the sites.

[telfordwindowclnr]

at the end of the day they are only domestic properties and there is no way to turn the power off to make them 100% safe without:-
destroying them, covering them up, or wait till sun goes in.

commercail set ups where there are 100+ then things should be done diffrently. but still even then, each panel is still producing power no mater what you turn off!

i think what the worrying part is that some people dont know how solar panels work and where all the electric is being produced! and the wiring of them!

I agree RC. People don't know how they are wired etc. Even though a panel may produce power though, it will not electrocute you.  But why would 100+ panels be done differently than a domestic with 16?

just with the ammount of power that they are producing all together, its like a mini power plant, plus there are more safety laws that you have to comply with on the sites.

Very true, but you only need one bad one....

[telfordwindowclnr]

If water has already got in surely it'll blow the whole unit, why would it wait for a cleaner to appear?

Because you will be earthed. Same principle as why rain does not blow out all the electricity pylons.

[R.C Property]

at the end of the day they are only domestic properties and there is no way to turn the power off to make them 100% safe without:-
destroying them, covering them up, or wait till sun goes in.

commercail set ups where there are 100+ then things should be done diffrently. but still even then, each panel is still producing power no mater what you turn off!

i think what the worrying part is that some people dont know how solar panels work and where all the electric is being produced! and the wiring of them!

I agree RC. People don't know how they are wired etc. Even though a panel may produce power though, it will not electrocute you.  But why would 100+ panels be done differently than a domestic with 16?

just with the ammount of power that they are producing all together, its like a mini power plant, plus there are more safety laws that you have to comply with on the sites.

Very true, but you only need one bad one....

yep, but still as there is no way of turning an individual solar panel off anyway, the risk is always there no matter what is done,
the only 100% way to stop the pwer on one will destroy the panel leaving it no good.

[telfordwindowclnr]

at the end of the day they are only domestic properties and there is no way to turn the power off to make them 100% safe without:-
destroying them, covering them up, or wait till sun goes in.

commercail set ups where there are 100+ then things should be done diffrently. but still even then, each panel is still producing power no mater what you turn off!

i think what the worrying part is that some people dont know how solar panels work and where all the electric is being produced! and the wiring of them!

I agree RC. People don't know how they are wired etc. Even though a panel may produce power though, it will not electrocute you.  But why would 100+ panels be done differently than a domestic with 16?

just with the ammount of power that they are producing all together, its like a mini power plant, plus there are more safety laws that you have to comply with on the sites.

Very true, but you only need one bad one....

yep, but still as there is no way of turning an individual solar panel off anyway, the risk is always there no matter what is done,
the only 100% way to stop the pwer on one will destroy the panel leaving it no good.

I think our difference of opinion comes down to the fact that you think they should be turned off and as my installer explained to me, they can be on, but carry no threat of electrocution. I am not interested in getting them all turned off. I am only interested in not being electrocuted. Pretty sure you are the same mate.

[R.C Property]

at the end of the day they are only domestic properties and there is no way to turn the power off to make them 100% safe without:-
destroying them, covering them up, or wait till sun goes in.

commercail set ups where there are 100+ then things should be done diffrently. but still even then, each panel is still producing power no mater what you turn off!

i think what the worrying part is that some people dont know how solar panels work and where all the electric is being produced! and the wiring of them!

I agree RC. People don't know how they are wired etc. Even though a panel may produce power though, it will not electrocute you.  But why would 100+ panels be done differently than a domestic with 16?

just with the ammount of power that they are producing all together, its like a mini power plant, plus there are more safety laws that you have to comply with on the sites.

Very true, but you only need one bad one....

yep, but still as there is no way of turning an individual solar panel off anyway, the risk is always there no matter what is done,
the only 100% way to stop the pwer on one will destroy the panel leaving it no good.

I think our difference of opinion comes down to the fact that you think they should be turned off and as my installer explained to me, they can be on, but carry no threat of electrocution. I am not interested in getting them all turned off. I am only interested in not being electrocuted. Pretty sure you are the same mate.

my thoughts, knowledge and speaking to several compaies that make, supply and fit them and they all say that there is no need to turn them off because of all the built in safety cut outs in the system anyway. if there is a short in any system then the inverter will trip out killing all power, but the panels will still be live.

its like how the RCD units work on the main electric board. if all is working right you can grad hold of the live wires and before you get a shock the power is triped out.

so for domestic systems there is no need to turn aything off at all.

i say turn them off in commercial solar farm just to the fact of how much power is about on that site.

what people dont know is that I come from a building background farther used to build them from scrach and been doing it for 30+ years, ive been doing it for 10 years solid, then before that 6-7 years part time. other side to my business is in property maintenance, electrics, water, building, etc etc

[R.C Property]

if anythink the way forward is is to be wearing all the correctly rated electrical safey gear that they have to wear,
gloves, eye protection, correct shoes/boots

[G Griffin]

Turn the Sun off.

[robert mitchell]

Turning off the ac side does not stop the risk of electrocution if a panel lets in water , it will still be producing dc current which is more dangerous.
Correct me if im wrong but I believe the inverter is usually separate and not inside the case of the panel .

[Crystal-clear]

It's solar Steve vs RC

Steve my loss of life is a factor as I won't be able to clean windows
RC you are basically saying I'm good to go

What do I do clean or say sorry to the customer that I'm not prepaid to take the risks involved due to what I am learning I'm not a gambing person ste if what you are saying is right I would have to decline !

Round 2

[James archell]

What do I do

Bill the custard but dont do them. Simples.