[PoleKing]

Does anybody remember this thread?

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=163038.0

Basically, a fellow member of CIU had a bit of a grievance with my website.

A number of members (cheers guys) kind of came to my defense and were subsequently told that their websites were from ‘less than good’ to ‘illegal’.

I was pretty sure I was doing nothing wrong but just to make sure, I contacted the ICO and the CRB (now DBS) just to make sure.

Normally I wouldn’t post an email but it seemed that a few of us were doing the same thing as me and I felt it might benefit someone.   

Here are the relevant bits from the ICO:

Thank you for your email of 7 January 2013, regarding the displaying of your own CRB on your own personal website.
I understand from your email that you have had a CRB carried out as you are sub-contracted to another company. You are self-employed and have your own website. You ask whether you can display your CRB certificate on your website. I am not aware of any issues under the DPA which would prevent you from displaying your own CRB certificate on your website. I am also unaware of any other legislation which may prevent you from using your CRB in this way. However, to be certain it may be worth checking with the CRB that they have nothing that would stop this.

So, I contacted the DBS who came back with this email.

Thank you for your email dated 31 January 2013 regarding your enquiry which has been passed to me for reply.
 
If you have had a CRB (now known as a DBS) check carried out our advice is that you should acknowledge on your website the fact that you have been CRB checked. However do not display the certificate and only show the certificate if a client asks to view it.
 
Under no circumstances should you use the DBS logo.The DBS and Disclosure logos are registered trademarks of the DBS in the UK held under licence number 2263661 and 2263664 respectively. As such the DBS does not license or permit the use of these trademarks by any other organisation on any printed or electronic media. Organisations that are registered can advertise the fact that they are registered with the DBS in a written statement but must not make use of the DBS logo. I have inspected your web site and it appears to be acceptable.


I trust you will find this information helpful.
I have read that a number of us have now been CRB’d/DBS’d so thought the proper stance from someone who knows rather than one person who is misguided was in order.

[wfp master]

you win.

[DeLuce]

Goodness, do I remember that thread       It was a hot one.

That's a very definitive and concise answer, good on yer m8.

[PoleKing]

Cheers nic

[James archell]

Ha ha nice one. So much for what you were doing as being illegal. I've always found Mike Cam to be a big mouth. Never did take to his know all style.

[Joe Martin]

Good on you, your van's still crap....... lol

[PoleKing]

I never actually found out who he was, until now.
Empty vessels make the loudest noise.

I love my van! It's the only place the wife hasn't wifeyfied. (except the AV)

[Joe Martin]

I never actually found out who he was, until now.
Empty vessels make the loudest noise.

I love my van! It's the only place the wife hasn't wifeyfied. (except the AV)

[king marko]

Nice one fella - a well constructed and decisive end to what was,  all in all, a petty dig
 

[Michael Peterson]

well in lad

[stuart mc]

good stuff, well done

[Halfadaylee]

Trust Dave @stIves to bring up the original post with the last comment on Christmas eve and then lock it.
You could had posted that on this thread
Quality guy, Dave.
Art

[CleanClear]

Here are the relevant bits from the ICO:

Thank you for your email of 7 January 2013, regarding the displaying of your own CRB on your own personal website.
I understand from your email that you have had a CRB carried out as you are sub-contracted to another company. You are self-employed and have your own website. You ask whether you can display your CRB certificate on your website. I am not aware of any issues under the DPA which would prevent you from displaying your own CRB certificate on your website. I am also unaware of any other legislation which may prevent you from using your CRB in this way. However, to be certain it may be worth checking with the CRB that they have nothing that would stop this.

Its interesting the the ICO isn't sure as its their remit to be sure and not refer you to a third party like they've done. Also, its not your own certificate (although its about you).

So, I contacted the DBS who came back with this email.

Thank you for your email dated 31 January 2013 regarding your enquiry which has been passed to me for reply.
 
If you have had a CRB (now known as a DBS) check carried out our advice is that you should acknowledge on your website the fact that you have been CRB checked. However do not display the certificate and only show the certificate if a client asks to view it.
 
Under no circumstances should you use the DBS logo.The DBS and Disclosure logos are registered trademarks of the DBS in the UK held under licence number 2263661 and 2263664 respectively. As such the DBS does not license or permit the use of these trademarks by any other organisation on any printed or electronic media. Organisations that are registered can advertise the fact that they are registered with the DBS in a written statement but must not make use of the DBS logo. I have inspected your web site and it appears to be acceptable.

Now there's an anomally right there.

I trust you will find this information helpful.
I have read that a number of us have now been CRB’d/DBS’d so thought the proper stance from someone who knows rather than one person who is misguided was in order.

So whats your point regarding saying you're CRB checked? My point is that you people who do this create an uneccesary intrusive procedure to be taken as the norm, or something to be attained or aspire to. Also anyone who does  legally require you to be CRB checked has to do it them selves and not rely on information that you personally provide, as such providing info like this in advance may mislead people to think they do not have to check you. They do have to check you.
 In short your emails have found out that the ICO (the body responsible for information and data) doesn't know their arse from their elbow, so they've referred you to the data provider. The people who sell the data (aka CRB /DBS) say you should advertise the fact you've been checked by their services. Now there's a suprise !! They also say you shouldn't show it, you do and they say its fine!
 It also states at the bottom of the certificate this.........very clearly........

The information contained in this Disclosure is confidential and all recipients must keep it
secure and protect it from loss or unauthorised access.
This Disclosure must only be used in accordance with the Criminal Record Burau's
(CRB).Code of Practice and.............

Displaying certificates in the public domain isn't in the code of practice.

 Now, given your new found knowledge, what advice do you have to offer your supportive mate..
http://rcpropertymaintenance.vpweb.co.uk/?prefix=www

who does display the  disclosure logo?

[PoleKing]

My advice to Rich would be to do as he feels fit.

Who knows who's arse form who's elbow is not my concern.
I am happy that I have contacted the body responsible to clarify my position and have been found to be doing nothing wrong, much less illegal, as you implied. I'd never even heard of ICO until you suggested it and they don't seem to care.
CRB/DBS have stated that they don't have a problem.
I was (pretty) sure I was fine doing what I am but wanted to check after you took issue. Now I am sure that I am.
I am also sure that you trolling this forum wont cause me any issues.
Jumping from trolling me to trolling RC when you are proved wrong shows that 'trolling' rather than 'helping' seems to be your thing.
It's a shame because you seem intelligent enough to talk yourself out of a situation. If your intellect was put to helping people out, which is why I joined this forum-to get and give help/opinions, I'm sure we would all benefit.
If you want a positive chat, feel free to call me.
All the best, Darren

[johnny bravo]

i let people know i have a crb check,   mine is an enhanced check,   as i have a private hire badge.  only an enhanced check shows if you have any records, a normal check can leave some out., its upto you if you want to show this , its your website,    we all like checking other websites out,   get some ideas,    you are not harming anyone,  tell them to get over it.      sounds like the people who go on about there human rights,     get on my tits.   tell them to go to thialand  and them countries    demanding there human rights.
where was i.     ah yes   i cant see why it has been brought up.  you seem to be doing all good.

[PoleKing]

cheers JB

[johnny bravo]

for some reason when you go on cleancares imfo ,  there website link wont come up,  BLANK,   you need to get your own website sorted before slagging what looks to be a hard working company trying there best to be  a highly recognised exterior cleaning company.     its very hard out there getting new work and contracts
when you go on lanes imfo    there website   apears showing us what they have to offer.

[PoleKing]

JB-this came up in the original thread.
Someone found CleanClear's website. The reviews weren't good.
In his defence though. He had no H&S whatsoever from memory.
All I can remember is he charged £9 per hour and used a Karcher Window Vac. True!

[AuRavelling79]

Here are the relevant bits from the ICO:

Thank you for your email of 7 January 2013, regarding the displaying of your own CRB on your own personal website.
I understand from your email that you have had a CRB carried out as you are sub-contracted to another company. You are self-employed and have your own website. You ask whether you can display your CRB certificate on your website. I am not aware of any issues under the DPA which would prevent you from displaying your own CRB certificate on your website. I am also unaware of any other legislation which may prevent you from using your CRB in this way. However, to be certain it may be worth checking with the CRB that they have nothing that would stop this.

Its interesting the the ICO isn't sure as its their remit to be sure and not refer you to a third party like they've done. Also, its not your own certificate (although its about you).

So, I contacted the DBS who came back with this email.

Thank you for your email dated 31 January 2013 regarding your enquiry which has been passed to me for reply.
 
If you have had a CRB (now known as a DBS) check carried out our advice is that you should acknowledge on your website the fact that you have been CRB checked. However do not display the certificate and only show the certificate if a client asks to view it.
 
Under no circumstances should you use the DBS logo.The DBS and Disclosure logos are registered trademarks of the DBS in the UK held under licence number 2263661 and 2263664 respectively. As such the DBS does not license or permit the use of these trademarks by any other organisation on any printed or electronic media. Organisations that are registered can advertise the fact that they are registered with the DBS in a written statement but must not make use of the DBS logo. I have inspected your web site and it appears to be acceptable.

Now there's an anomally right there.

I trust you will find this information helpful.
I have read that a number of us have now been CRB’d/DBS’d so thought the proper stance from someone who knows rather than one person who is misguided was in order.

So whats your point regarding saying you're CRB checked? My point is that you people who do this create an uneccesary intrusive procedure to be taken as the norm, or something to be attained or aspire to. Also anyone who does  legally require you to be CRB checked has to do it them selves and not rely on information that you personally provide, as such providing info like this in advance may mislead people to think they do not have to check you. They do have to check you.
 In short your emails have found out that the ICO (the body responsible for information and data) doesn't know their arse from their elbow, so they've referred you to the data provider. The people who sell the data (aka CRB /DBS) say you should advertise the fact you've been checked by their services. Now there's a suprise !! They also say you shouldn't show it, you do and they say its fine!
 It also states at the bottom of the certificate this.........very clearly........

The information contained in this Disclosure is confidential and all recipients must keep it
secure and protect it from loss or unauthorised access.
This Disclosure must only be used in accordance with the Criminal Record Burau's
(CRB).Code of Practice and.............

Displaying certificates in the public domain isn't in the code of practice.

 Now, given your new found knowledge, what advice do you have to offer your supportive mate..
http://rcpropertymaintenance.vpweb.co.uk/?prefix=www

who does display the  disclosure logo?

I was advised that when in a hole that is the time to stop digging! 

[CleanClear]

My advice to Rich would be to do as he feels fit.

Who knows who's arse form who's elbow is not my concern.
I am happy that I have contacted the body responsible to clarify my position and have been found to be doing nothing wrong, much less illegal, as you implied. I'd never even heard of ICO until you suggested it and they don't seem to care.
CRB/DBS have stated that they don't have a problem.
I was (pretty) sure I was fine doing what I am but wanted to check after you took issue. Now I am sure that I am.
I am also sure that you trolling this forum wont cause me any issues.
Jumping from trolling me to trolling RC when you are proved wrong shows that 'trolling' rather than 'helping' seems to be your thing.
It's a shame because you seem intelligent enough to talk yourself out of a situation. If your intellect was put to helping people out, which is why I joined this forum-to get and give help/opinions, I'm sure we would all benefit.
If you want a positive chat, feel free to call me.
All the best, Darren

I'm not needing to talk myself out of a situation. There's something about this you don't appear to understand. The use of the certs is governed by the CRB code of practice, i'm sure we can agree on that. The Code of Practice says............
 The Registered Body (in this case Due Dilligence Ltd.) must...
4. Ensure that no reproductions of the Disclosure or its content are made, including photocopies or
scanned images, unless with the prior agreement of the CRB or as a result of a stipulated
requirement relating to the e-channel service;

Now because the ICO can't be arsed, and the CRB can't be arsed that does not make me wrong (i seldom am!!!).
 There's nothing i need to chat about, i feel you fellas doing this are making a rod for everyone elses back like i said before. And you're doing it illegally, its neither here nor there to me if the authoritys are bothered by it. Thats not trolling, thats saying it how it is.