[P @ F]

Have just started building my site and have come to keywords and how to submit to google and msn , the help guide says go to admin page and follow the steps , thing is i cant find the admin page ?

Does this only become an option once you have filled in your keywords ?
I dont want to fill in keywords and publish to net until i know i have it right , all help appreciated.

Rich 

[SimonBurton]

I used google guide and did it by hand. Alternatively log a help call with 123 usually v helpful

[Jim Waugh(Albright & Shiny)]

My experience is that the usual providers SEO guides are a tad on the thin side. Best if you find someone who knows the current SEO tricks.  To say that SEO for Google is like hitting a moving target is an understatement.

The basics are that YOU need to identify the aspects and the KEY words you want to promote on your site.
One easy way to do this is play about with Googles own Keyword tool.

https://adwords.google.com/o/Targeting/Explorer?__c=1000000000&__u=1000000000&ideaRequestType=KEYWORD_IDEAS

put in competitors sites for analysis especially the ones that come up on Google page 1 when you search for window cleaning etc in your local area. What works for them will probably work for you..

Top tip go for niche elements of your site. most people will target window cleaning or carpet cleaning. these are valid generic terms. However if you tune in on the Niche elements of the business you will stand more chance of a hit. when I say Niche I mean phrases such as Algae removal from conservatories. or hot water window cleaning etc

Im no guru but this has worked for me in the past when I did a bit of site building, The best tip I could give is get someone who knows what they are doing to do the SEO  your site.

Dont overload each page with keywords a max of 3 or 4 Im told is about right.

Links to and from your site apparently are more important than Keywords in the pursuit of a higher google ranking.

You will really need to get Google to recognise your site exists. take a look at this http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=34397 and it will show you how to tell google you exist. once it knows you exist Google will start analysing your site and put you in the pecking order.

 hope Im not rambling on too much

[P @ F]

Cheers very much Jim , that was very helpful indeed.
Just out of interest , if i choose to pay for SEO of at  least findable quality , what should i expect to pay ?

Thanks again Rich 

[Jim Waugh(Albright & Shiny)]

That all depends really on who you use. I have been stung in the past by slick, promise the world type people who talk a good job but deliver Nothing. Most of these are ongoing pay monthly types , all branded beyond belief. And they generally charge like the light brigade.....

The most knowledgable tend to be the little independent web builders who are well known in your locality. The one I found, stumbled across by accident when I needed some coding done where I lived a couple of years back, He would do a little bit here and there for me 20 and 30 quid at a time... and then sit back and see what effect it had over a month or so.

Most people think SEO is a quick fix,, its not, it takes time. Google needs to see your sight develop and for your hits to increase.

Because time isnt an issue you could do worse than research the web on SEO techniques , linking and the like and try it yourself..

Remember Search engines don't see pictures, its your test that count, Visuals only come into their own when humans look at your site.
Script up some text in a word document. tweek what you think your keywords should be. and have a play with the adwords tool. It will surprise you In my location the tool tells me that no one is searching for a window cleaner in this town. however 26 search for carpet cleaning, 12 search for conservatory cleaning... So if I set a site up simply keyworded for windows. and no one searched for it. It would be like shouting toward the sky and expecting a passing alien to hear you... Top tip use teh tool to search simply on your area name. it will give you teh top 50 searches each month with your town name in it. See if you can incorporate some of these in your pages...

If you are trying to tune the background  Keywords in the Page reports / SEO part of your page I wouldn't bother too much. I believe search engines don't get too excited by it. the place to have your keywords is in the main text on your page, You can put your location in with your name and number in the Site header along with your name and the service you are promoting. You can repeat things like alternatives on the Site footer, so that if you have multiple pages the same phrases are found on each page.

Sorry gone all gushy again....