[dannymack]

Hi all, I bought this from Gariners the other day wired up and it keeps coming up De don't understand so had to wire old switch and put it back without the flow control so annoying really wanted the faster flow. Any idea's on what the problem is ?
Cheers for any help !!!

[Alex Gardiner]

Hi all, I bought this from Gariners the other day wired up and it keeps coming up De don't understand so had to wire old switch and put it back without the flow control so annoying really wanted the faster flow. Any idea's on what the problem is ?
Cheers for any help !!!

DE is short for Dead-End which is electrical engineer 'speak' for shut-off sensed. DE should be displayed when you have turned off the flow of water to your pole using a flow valve or similar. DE will be displayed until the flow is turned back on again.

However if you are getting DE during use when you have not turned off such a valve then this means that your Dead-End calibration is not set to the right setting (too sensitive). If you look in the instructions that came with the unit you will see on page 2 that it shows how to change this setting. Simply put, press and hold the two outer buttons until CAL is displayed. Then a number will show which is your current shut-off point. If the unit is shutting off too often then you will need to increase this number by increments of 5 at a time. Then press the right hand enter button and SET will display.

Try the system out again and see if it works if not repeat this step until it does not dead-end during use.

[Mike #1]

The cal is never set correctly on new units also cold weather plays it part if water is stone cold you will have to alter CAL and also when water warms up .

Connect hose reel and pole and turn water on so water is coming out of brush or until water comes out and a desired flow rate for work then extend pole to first floor window to check flow does not stop at height .

Along with instructions provided with your flow controller . Mike

[dannymack]

Thanks for the info.  Alex  I set up and it said take it to 30 I did. Then said arrow down to auto cal I did then de came up I read the instruction which I turned the cal down the water started to flow so I pressed the button o to flow of which to get faster water speed I took it to 99 the max of which was probably slightly slower than the water speed without the control flow. Can I ask will this take my water speed alot faster if I get it to work or will the max speed with the controller be near on the same without the flow controller and its only good for making the flow slower. Cheers Rich.

[Alex Gardiner]

Thanks for the info.  Alex  I set up and it said take it to 30 I did. Then said arrow down to auto cal I did then de came up I read the instruction which I turned the cal down the water started to flow so I pressed the button o to flow of which to get faster water speed I took it to 99 the max of which was probably slightly slower than the water speed without the control flow. Can I ask will this take my water speed alot faster if I get it to work or will the max speed with the controller be near on the same without the flow controller and its only good for making the flow slower. Cheers Rich.

The flow with the controller on 99 should be virtually the same as with no controller fitted. You will need the CAL set correctly though to feel this flow rate. The AUTOCAL function is great except to work correctly you need to set it with your hose fully run out and the pole fully extended.

[dannymack]

Hiya Alex I thought this controller would push out my water alot faster as my flow without is ok one day it will run quite fast another day it goes slower. That's why I bought this as I thought it was make my flow alot faster. If the max flow will run the same as the flow I have I don't seem the need for it, any chance of a refund Alex and is there anything out there that will make my flow alot faster. I'm using a 100 psi which I bought from yourself a while back I even got the new thermo hose from yourself but this flow is driving me mad makes the jobs I do go slow due to a slowish flow

Cheers Rich.

[dave0123]

change the hose to bigger bore? u using 6mm or 8

[Alex Gardiner]

Hiya Alex I thought this controller would push out my water alot faster as my flow without is ok one day it will run quite fast another day it goes slower. That's why I bought this as I thought it was make my flow alot faster. If the max flow will run the same as the flow I have I don't seem the need for it, any chance of a refund Alex and is there anything out there that will make my flow alot faster. I'm using a 100 psi which I bought from yourself a while back I even got the new thermo hose from yourself but this flow is driving me mad makes the jobs I do go slow due to a slowish flow

Cheers Rich.

The flow controllers are sold to help control the flow not boost the flow rate - They are never described as flow boosters.

Also the Thermobore hose will not increase your flow rate over standard 6mm Microbore as they both have the same 6mm ID.

There are only two ways of increasing the flow rate:
1. Use larger diameter hose such as 8mm Minibore (as suggested already).
2. Use a higher flow-rate pump such as the 100psi Flojet Duplex pump (we do not stock but can order in at about £125 each).

Unfortunately I cannot authorize a return/refund on this item as it has been used and installed and is not faulty. You may find though that if you switch to a larger diameter hose you will still need the controller to regulate the flow down if it is too high.

[dannymack]

Alex I got a 100 psi pump I also bought the 8mm yellow hose from yourself about 2 months ago as I did find the thermo made it a little slower. It's still in wrapping. I've not been able to use the controller as I tried it parked at my house I've not used it as I couldn't understand it, I'm not to bothered it was only £75 I could sell on here or eBay. What's the difference with the pump you mentioned for £125 from the 100 psi that I have ?
Cheers Rich

[dannymack]

That's the pump I got from you a flow jet 100 psi. Think ill go back to ladders all this waterfed is hassle and expensive lol !!!

[Alex Gardiner]

That's the pump I got from you a flow jet 100 psi. Think ill go back to ladders all this waterfed is hassle and expensive lol !!!

At certain times in the first few years I also felt that it was too much hassle - it does get better until you have the exact set-up you need and like. Then its just a case of maintaining it and always having spares to hand.

[Alex Gardiner]

Alex I got a 100 psi pump I also bought the 8mm yellow hose from yourself about 2 months ago as I did find the thermo made it a little slower. It's still in wrapping. I've not been able to use the controller as I tried it parked at my house I've not used it as I couldn't understand it, I'm not to bothered it was only £75 I could sell on here or eBay. What's the difference with the pump you mentioned for £125 from the 100 psi that I have ?
Cheers Rich

Hi Rich

My advice would be to fit and try using the 8mm Minibore that you have already bought and not used. Keep the flow controller wired and set to 99 flow and about 45 Dead-End. This may well sort all of your woes out. Once you ahve got it running you may find that you actually do not need all of this flow rate and turn the flow setting down to 80 or so.

The Duplex pump is a higher flow rate pump, but most users find it too high a flow rate for WFP work (about 40% higher than your current pump) which is why we do not stock them. The 100PSI rating only refers to the pressure at which the built-in pressure switch cuts the pump off not the flow rate of the water it can pump.

[davids3511]

What pump did you buy? I use 6mm x 100m microbore and I can get the water shooting up 6 foot from the jets with a 5ltr pm Vyar pump on 45 on my controller. Unless your pump is for a low lt per min there is another problem somewhere.

[davids3511]

U sure you got no air in the system?

[dave0123]

hi alex,


i have a really old veri-stream controller its the one with the dail, am using 60 meters of your microbore yellow 6mm hose. i can never seem to move the dail to full without it cutting the pump off like the above poster is having trouble with comes on and off. i can never get it past 12 o clock.. i think its to do with the diameter of the hose even if i move the blue calibration dial in the back it doesnt really do anything.

I was thinking about buying this http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/digital-liquid-logic-pump-flow-controller.html

would this automatically detect the dead end by using the feature you mentioned to the OP . Does the the flow keep constant LPM depending on the height of the pole too or is that a different one i am thinking of?

[Alex Gardiner]

hi alex,


i have a really old veri-stream controller its the one with the dail, am using 60 meters of your microbore yellow 6mm hose. i can never seem to move the dail to full without it cutting the pump off like the above poster is having trouble with comes on and off. i can never get it past 12 o clock.. i think its to do with the diameter of the hose even if i move the blue calibration dial in the back it doesnt really do anything.

I was thinking about buying this http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/digital-liquid-logic-pump-flow-controller.html

would this automatically detect the dead end by using the feature you mentioned to the OP . Does the the flow keep constant LPM depending on the height of the pole too or is that a different one i am thinking of?

Yes this unit would automatically be able to calibrate to using Microbore hose.

The flow rate does keep constant regardless of the height of pole used once it has been set up.

[dave0123]

Thanks alex

[Ian Sheppard]

The controller will need to be calibrated to your system pump and hose. In colder weather the calibration will need to alter as the expansion rate of the hose walls are affected by the cold.

This short video should help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kKoskb7l7c

The controller is designed among other things to regulate the pump speed allowing you to work with the minimum amount of water required for any particular job.
The controller should provide a constant flow rate rather than the varying rates you have seen with just a pump.

This link covers some of the reasons people may choose to have a flow controller
http://www.springltd.co/node/94

[Tom White]

After 18 months of getting buggered about by our flow controllers (two different makes), we just work without them now.

Flow controllers are over engineered, over priced, too sensitive, and not robust; they mess us about, they require good conditioned batteries, and they waste our time.

We just work with the pump now, you get a fast flow which is good if you like to work fast; rinsing is mega quick.

Try it, just wire you pump back up to the pressure switch (very simple to do; takes five minutes).

[dannymack]

Thanks Ian and Tosh that's what I've done stick with me switch and pump no hassle m8 thanks guys !!!