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mike1986

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which pre-spray?
« on: January 09, 2013, 05:52:14 pm »
Which pre-spray do you use on synthetic carpets? Im currently using WOC chemicals but just wanted to also try a few of the prochem range to compare. Is Prochem Gold any good? thanks  :)

AshWhite

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2013, 06:27:41 pm »
Prespray Gold is lower pH than many, and not really as effective as some of the stronger stuff you can generally get away with on synthetics.

If you haven't tried it before, have a bash with powerburst - many find this to be the most effective prespray on the market.

It depends of course on what the soiling on the carpet is, if its lightly soiled then PB might be overkill.
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mike1986

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2013, 06:41:26 pm »
Yes ive heard great things about powerburst and im going to order some for the real dirty carpets...do you tend to use the high ph stuff for most cleans then? What if the carpet is pretty clean to begin with. Ive been using the highly rated M-POWER but tbh im not realy convinced its doing alot for me. I am very new to this though.

AshWhite

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2013, 06:56:45 pm »
SPM is now my most commonly used prespray, m-power for more sensitive fabrics. I don't think I've used PB since I bought SPM.
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mike1986

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 07:14:01 pm »
Yea ive got a tub of spm, but i know with micro splitters it needs alot of aggitation and ive only got a sebo duo and a pile brush. Would i still get good results with spm do you think? or would i need a rotary to really get the best out of it? thanks

Deep Cleaning Solutions

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2013, 07:34:38 pm »
A sebo duo and a pile brush are fine with micro spitters, i use a brush 90% of the time on domestics and customers are always telling me i am the best carpet cleaner they have used. Out of the Prochem range i use pureclean (micro splitter) on lightly soiled synthetic's , it works great on suites as well , powerburst on mid to heavy soiled synthetic/minging wool carpets , ultrapac renovate for certain carpets ie soot damage, oily/carbon jobs. I also keep some prespray gold for any very lightly soiled wool carpets. Some of there spotters are very good too.
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Paul McHugh

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 07:46:07 pm »
Can I use SPM on a wool rug what HWE pressure and how warm the pre spray and the rinse water
Today my second clean on a filthy hsl and bed it came up well but did a lot of agitation synthetic carpet

Warren Aldridge

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 08:14:12 pm »
Try powerburst, its economical so you don't have to save it for those dirty carpets.

I don't like the term heavy agitation, you could probably do a good job with plain water and heavy agitation

If at first you don't succeed move on quickly and try something else.

garybristow

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2013, 04:29:38 pm »
multi pro on moderate soiling powerburst on a minger
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Rob Tutton

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2013, 06:19:44 pm »
Powerburst on the nasty ones and Ultrapac renovate on all others.

Simon Gerrard

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2013, 06:36:45 pm »
Ultrapac on all others, crikey that's that really  is sledge hammer time. ???

Deep Cleaning Solutions

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2013, 08:22:15 pm »
Ultrapac is amazing stuff, be carefull though it's easy to get carried away with it. It's the crack cocaine or pringles of cleaning chems, once you start you just can't stop!!!
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james roffey

Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2013, 09:51:07 pm »
Yea Powerburst the sledgehammer, Ultrapac the errr sledgehammer ???
These must have almost indentical ph levels.
I have ultra pac, powerburst or shockwave for the more sensitive i like prespray gold

The TACCA Scrutineer

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2013, 10:04:03 pm »
Why buy all these expensive chems?

I use simply low odour white spirit mixed  with hot water and mist over traffic areas etc.

I use liquid detergent (as you would buy to wash your clothes) and put some fabric softener in to make it smell nice and it also stops any foaming issues.

Rinsed out with hot clear water.

I don't use anything else.

I used to use what you guys use but I've now saved a fortune and have had no issues whatsoever. The carpets are def cleaner and they look great.


Warren Aldridge

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2013, 10:32:21 pm »
What's a fortune?

Chems are probably the cheapest part of a busy carpet cleaning business

james roffey

Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2013, 12:53:04 pm »
Chemicals are a small expense compared to everything else and having the correct chemical for each job is i think the professional thing to do to achieve the best results. a tub of powerburst which is widely accepted to be about the best prespray lasts me about four months and costs about £25 deduct what you pay for something developed to be used in a washing machine and i would doubt there would be any difference. these chemicals are not the same and each has its own ability to tackle certain soiling, much the same as spotting chemicals which i also have multiple chemicals each of those is good on certain stains but not others.

Ultrapac Renovate is excellent on draught marks and oily stains especially on polyprop carpets.

Powerburst is fantastic on most synthetics.

Shockwave is an enzyme prespray better suited to food and beverage spillages pubs etc but still a good allrounder.

Presray gold is a safe lower ph prespray i would use if in doubt like some rugs.

Do you tell you customers what chemicals you are using ? i would worry that these chemicals are designed to be used inside a washing machine where they are thoroughly rinsed out but when wanding the same amount of rinsing may not be applied and you could be leaving a residue that leads to rapid resoiling, just seems to be penny pinching to save a tiny amount and even that is questionable whether you are in fact saving anything.

Would you use powerburst to clean your clothes ? i very much doubt it, if not ask yourself why ! it would probably clean them better than no detergent but no where near as effective as the correct chemical designed to clean them.

COLIN BRIGHT

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2013, 01:41:53 pm »
I use whatever is in the van, power burst, solution hdand regular, shock wave, bio blast, formula 90, I always acid rince with at the mo final phase, mostly use power burst, never had a prob in wool or syns
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Buckland

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2013, 04:20:22 pm »
Andy Laurrey - you have opened up a huge new can of wotsits there mate... reminded me of a letter to Viz with helpful suggestions - something along the lines of ''I use extra strong hydrochloric acid to clean up where our cat piddles on the carpet - leaves a nice clean ring of bare floor where the carpet used to be - no carpet - no smell! simples"

good luck to you by the way but chems only get really expensive if you buy them and dont use them and stick them in the cupboard or you are very busy and use a lot and then it really does not matter anyway...

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The TACCA Scrutineer

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2013, 04:28:03 pm »

Do you tell you customers what chemicals you are using ? i would worry that these chemicals are designed to be used inside a washing machine where they are thoroughly rinsed out but when wanding the same amount of rinsing may not be applied and you could be leaving a residue that leads to rapid resoiling, just seems to be penny pinching to save a tiny amount and even that is questionable whether you are in fact saving anything.

I don't tell them what I'm using, nor do they ask. The chems are sprayed on separately and then rinsed off with plain hot water. I leave no more or less than any other detergent I would otherwise be using.

These chems are designed to clean clothes, but clothes are made of fibres, nylon or wool, just like carpets and the end results I achieve I believe are far more superior than anything else I have used, the lovely smell, soft carpets and low cost (£1 per 2 litres) is why I use them. I have seen my repeats gone up 2 fold since using liquid detergent.

Give them a try, see the results and saving's and I bet you'll be hooked too! No longer are the days I have to pay £30 - £50 for a tub of powder!!


cannon

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Re: which pre-spray?
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2013, 04:30:53 pm »
Why buy all these expensive chems?

I use simply low odour white spirit mixed  with hot water and mist over traffic areas etc.

I use liquid detergent (as you would buy to wash your clothes) and put some fabric softener in to make it smell nice and it also stops any foaming issues.

Rinsed out with hot clear water.

I don't use anything else.

I used to use what you guys use but I've now saved a fortune and have had no issues whatsoever. The carpets are def cleaner and they look great.



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