[barry mallett]

Hi just wondered if anyone can tell me what colour the thermebore hose is and if there is any writing on it cheers Barry

[Lee GLS]

If you a talking about Gardiners, then it is orange and has gardiner thermobore written on it in black all alOng it

[barry mallett]

Thanks but just been offered some ionics which is orange and says reinforced hose on it is this any good for hot cheers Barry

[Michael Peterson]

it will have hot run through it without any problems, but stretches and catches on everything and swells up like most other hoses, its only about £40 to buy from ionics, in my opinion micro.minibore is better, at this time of year your water shouldn't be hot enough to give you any probs anyways, thermobore is designed mainly to keep the heat in and retain it, which Alex Gardener says it does very well compared to the other hoses, this will be usefull when the ground is freezing cold... i dont rate the ionics hose and am stressed with it on a daily bases its gone from 100 meters to about 50 because of all the leakes it has sprung...if you have to have a hot hose you should go with gardeners pay the extra buy i bet your hose lasts longer than mine

[barry mallett]

thanks for the reply michael , glad i didnt buy it it was £55 . have i got the wrong idea about thermabore . i thought it was designed to stop it swelling up and leaking when using hot . or is it just to keep the heat in .anyone know the answer cheers barry

[Alex Gardiner]

thanks for the reply michael , glad i didnt buy it it was £55 . have i got the wrong idea about thermabore . i thought it was designed to stop it swelling up and leaking when using hot . or is it just to keep the heat in .anyone know the answer cheers barry

Thermobore hose is designed to retain more of the hot water's heat and to resist the increased strain that hot water puts on hose. It is also designed to remain more flexible at sub-zero temperatures even when using cold water. Thermobore hose will still expand slightly when in use with hot water.

[Steve Sed]

thanks for the reply michael , glad i didnt buy it it was £55 . have i got the wrong idea about thermabore . i thought it was designed to stop it swelling up and leaking when using hot . or is it just to keep the heat in .anyone know the answer cheers barry

Thermobore hose is designed to retain more of the hot water's heat and to resist the increased strain that hot water puts on hose. It is also designed to remain more flexible at sub-zero temperatures even when using cold water. Thermobore hose will still expand slightly when in use with hot water.

Alex, how useful would thermobore be in insulating non heated water from the frozen ground?

[[GQC] Tim]

thanks for the reply michael , glad i didnt buy it it was £55 . have i got the wrong idea about thermabore . i thought it was designed to stop it swelling up and leaking when using hot . or is it just to keep the heat in .anyone know the answer cheers barry

Thermobore hose is designed to retain more of the hot water's heat and to resist the increased strain that hot water puts on hose. It is also designed to remain more flexible at sub-zero temperatures even when using cold water. Thermobore hose will still expand slightly when in use with hot water.

Hi Alex, when I just got my thermobore hose, I compared my microbore to thermobore.. This was done by equal hose length, exact same testing method, and with digital LCD temp probe on the pole hose. Hot water system was run from absolute cold for 10 minutes until heated up (whole system and hosereel was run through with cold water before start) . Flow was stopped, then temperature points were taken in 5 minute intervals, from 5 minutes to 30 minutes. Temperature was taken after engaging trigger for 10 seconds. Except for the highest temperature for the thermabore right after those 10 minutes, the microbore was better at retaining heat. I think this was mainly due because the microbore swelled more, so a larger volume of warm/hot water was present and lost its heat less fast then the thermobore. When I realized I actually did not measure the difference in flow rate between the two hoses I discarded the test results. I figured that one or the other had higher flow rate and therefore impacted the end temperature after those 10 minutes.

Saying that though, from what I can remember the thermobore actually had a higher temperature after those 10 minutes, but dipped rather quickly, and the microbore, even though less hot after those 10 minutes running at full, retained heat throughout the 5 minute intervals (up to a total test time of 30 minutes) better then the thermobore, I think the microbore was about 2c ahead through the tests except for the first measuring point, where the temperature was higher.

I wanted to measure it again, but the microbore was of such quality that I discarded the whole length of hose. Probably not much help there, but that was my experience, also in use. Which makes sense because on a cut away view, there is really very little difference between hoses, no insulating layer.

[Alex Gardiner]

Alex, how useful would thermobore be in insulating non heated water from the frozen ground?

It would help although on a really cold ground day it would still have the potential to freeze.

[Alex Gardiner]

thanks for the reply michael , glad i didnt buy it it was £55 . have i got the wrong idea about thermabore . i thought it was designed to stop it swelling up and leaking when using hot . or is it just to keep the heat in .anyone know the answer cheers barry

Thermobore hose is designed to retain more of the hot water's heat and to resist the increased strain that hot water puts on hose. It is also designed to remain more flexible at sub-zero temperatures even when using cold water. Thermobore hose will still expand slightly when in use with hot water.

Hi Alex, when I just got my thermobore hose, I compared my microbore to thermobore.. This was done by equal hose length, exact same testing method, and with digital LCD temp probe on the pole hose. Hot water system was run from absolute cold for 10 minutes until heated up (whole system and hosereel was run through with cold water before start) . Flow was stopped, then temperature points were taken in 5 minute intervals, from 5 minutes to 30 minutes. Temperature was taken after engaging trigger for 10 seconds. Except for the highest temperature for the thermabore right after those 10 minutes, the microbore was better at retaining heat. I think this was mainly due because the microbore swelled more, so a larger volume of warm/hot water was present and lost its heat less fast then the thermobore. When I realized I actually did not measure the difference in flow rate between the two hoses I discarded the test results. I figured that one or the other had higher flow rate and therefore impacted the end temperature after those 10 minutes.

Saying that though, from what I can remember the thermobore actually had a higher temperature after those 10 minutes, but dipped rather quickly, and the microbore, even though less hot after those 10 minutes running at full, retained heat throughout the 5 minute intervals (up to a total test time of 30 minutes) better then the thermobore, I think the microbore was about 2c ahead through the tests except for the first measuring point, where the temperature was higher.

I wanted to measure it again, but the microbore was of such quality that I discarded the whole length of hose. Probably not much help there, but that was my experience, also in use. Which makes sense because on a cut away view, there is really very little difference between hoses, no insulating layer.

The most important measurement was the first reading taken where the Thermobore read highest. Most users do not leave the water in the hose for even 5 minutes.

There is no insulating layer in the current Thermobore. We achieve its good handling characteristics through the use of hybrid material instead of just the PVC material of standard Microbore and Minibore.

[[GQC] Tim]

Yes I agree, I did that test purely to test how well thermobore holds it's heat. Thinking about it though, most users do actually leave water in their hose for more then 5 minutes when driving between jobs, and it takes some time to heat back up again, especially in winter.

But because of the difference in diameter of the hose, the flow rates must be different between micro and therma, hence it completely changes how the heater works. If less water goes through the heater, the water gets hotter, more water goes through the water becomes less hot. Just like an electric shower. Unless you would have the exact same diameter hose, even after swelling, in my personal opinion there is no way that we can establish whether thermabore hose holds heat better. I believe that because there is no insulating layer the difference would be very small. Regardless of it being a different material it's too thin to make any difference, especially if it would be covered in snow and very low temperatures.

Thermabore is fantastic hose though, very wear resistance and doesn't act up when using hot! Very good hose, and I would recommend it to everyone, using hot or cold.