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Alex Gardiner

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Re: not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2012, 07:56:13 am »
When it comes to shipping it is completely down to the value of the goods rather than the weight. This is to provide protection for our clients in case of a delivery mishap.

 If there is a delivery mishap it is the merchant that is responsible, not the buyer. Therefore it is for your protection, not your customer's.

The merchant is responsible for ensuring that the clients receives the goods under law. Our main priority is that our clients gets the goods they need promptly and in the condition they were sent out.

In practise however if Royal Mail is used for compact but high value goods then when these 'fail' to arrive it is the clients that will suffer whilst it is being sorted out. In law a 'reasonable time' delivery (unless specified) is considered to be 30 days and Royal Mail does not consider an item to be actually missing until 15 days have passed. Whilst these parameters are acceptable for low value goods we do not consider this be acceptable for goods in excess of £10 as the client cannot make a claim for lost goods until after the Royal Mail's 15 day cut-off.

When an insured courier is used, there is first of all a tracking system which allows us to keep an eye on shipments if needed. Then there is insurance -what this means is that if damage is found and reported to us in within 24 hours, we can claim back against the courier and immediately arrange a replacement with very little delay. This is ultimately why it matters to the clients as any issue can be resolved quickly and simply.

If a client request that goods over £10 be sent via Royal Mail to save money then we will do this and only charge actual postal costs - however if anything happens we are then subject to Royal Mails terms. Also under Royal Mails terms of use it is the recipient that has to make the claim against them for lost goods not the sender.

bobplum

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Re: not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2012, 08:00:02 am »
that old age pension dont stretch like it used to  ;D

i am not stretching like i use too ;D

Caleb Morley

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Re: Not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2012, 03:45:42 pm »
Do Gardiners do a January sale like alot of retailers? I want to buy a supermax and a backpack but havent got the funds right now

Cheers,

Caleb

Steve Sed

Re: not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2012, 05:33:40 pm »
When it comes to shipping it is completely down to the value of the goods rather than the weight. This is to provide protection for our clients in case of a delivery mishap.

 If there is a delivery mishap it is the merchant that is responsible, not the buyer. Therefore it is for your protection, not your customer's.

The merchant is responsible for ensuring that the clients receives the goods under law. Our main priority is that our clients gets the goods they need promptly and in the condition they were sent out.

In practise however if Royal Mail is used for compact but high value goods then when these 'fail' to arrive it is the clients that will suffer whilst it is being sorted out. In law a 'reasonable time' delivery (unless specified) is considered to be 30 days and Royal Mail does not consider an item to be actually missing until 15 days have passed. Whilst these parameters are acceptable for low value goods we do not consider this be acceptable for goods in excess of £10 as the client cannot make a claim for lost goods until after the Royal Mail's 15 day cut-off.

When an insured courier is used, there is first of all a tracking system which allows us to keep an eye on shipments if needed. Then there is insurance -what this means is that if damage is found and reported to us in within 24 hours, we can claim back against the courier and immediately arrange a replacement with very little delay. This is ultimately why it matters to the clients as any issue can be resolved quickly and simply.

If a client request that goods over £10 be sent via Royal Mail to save money then we will do this and only charge actual postal costs - however if anything happens we are then subject to Royal Mails terms. Also under Royal Mails terms of use it is the recipient that has to make the claim against them for lost goods not the sender.
Who claims from Royal Mail is irrelevant, but having been an online trader for 10 years I as the seller have submitted numerous claims and been paid.

From my experience couriers are no quicker coughing up than are Royal Mail. To make people wait for Royal Mail's 15 days would compare very unfavourably with other suppliers and I am sure that in reality you would not do this.

I have never heard of the customer claiming from Royal Mail for lost goods. I have seen things like this in the terms of unscrupulous sellers on eBay though.

The problem with jumping in every time someone posts something critical is that you can make mistakes in your replies. From experience, I know that Gardiners service is very good, but it is the sender that is responsible for the safe arrival of goods and therefore the insurance is not at all for the customer's benefit but it is for the merchant's.

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2012, 05:50:27 pm »
Steve, I think you are missing the point. Protection and customer service are two different things. Alex very often goes the extra mile and then some to ensure customer satisfaction, even if that cost his business money. I think Alex is highlighting the fact that the customer suffers from things going missing. Besides, plenty of things go missing even in Royal Mail.

Alex Gardiner

  • Posts: 7744
Re: not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2012, 06:20:45 pm »
When it comes to shipping it is completely down to the value of the goods rather than the weight. This is to provide protection for our clients in case of a delivery mishap.

 If there is a delivery mishap it is the merchant that is responsible, not the buyer. Therefore it is for your protection, not your customer's.

The merchant is responsible for ensuring that the clients receives the goods under law. Our main priority is that our clients gets the goods they need promptly and in the condition they were sent out.

In practise however if Royal Mail is used for compact but high value goods then when these 'fail' to arrive it is the clients that will suffer whilst it is being sorted out. In law a 'reasonable time' delivery (unless specified) is considered to be 30 days and Royal Mail does not consider an item to be actually missing until 15 days have passed. Whilst these parameters are acceptable for low value goods we do not consider this be acceptable for goods in excess of £10 as the client cannot make a claim for lost goods until after the Royal Mail's 15 day cut-off.

When an insured courier is used, there is first of all a tracking system which allows us to keep an eye on shipments if needed. Then there is insurance -what this means is that if damage is found and reported to us in within 24 hours, we can claim back against the courier and immediately arrange a replacement with very little delay. This is ultimately why it matters to the clients as any issue can be resolved quickly and simply.

If a client request that goods over £10 be sent via Royal Mail to save money then we will do this and only charge actual postal costs - however if anything happens we are then subject to Royal Mails terms. Also under Royal Mails terms of use it is the recipient that has to make the claim against them for lost goods not the sender.
Who claims from Royal Mail is irrelevant, but having been an online trader for 10 years I as the seller have submitted numerous claims and been paid.

From my experience couriers are no quicker coughing up than are Royal Mail. To make people wait for Royal Mail's 15 days would compare very unfavourably with other suppliers and I am sure that in reality you would not do this.

I have never heard of the customer claiming from Royal Mail for lost goods. I have seen things like this in the terms of unscrupulous sellers on eBay though.
 :)
The problem with jumping in every time someone posts something critical is that you can make mistakes in your replies. From experience, I know that Gardiners service is very good, but it is the sender that is responsible for the safe arrival of goods and therefore the insurance is not at all for the customer's benefit but it is for the merchant's.

I didn't take your knowledgable comments as a criticism  :) I was just pointing out that whoever the insurance is for when using an insured courier it allows the retailer to sort out any issue much quicker and ultimately this is beneficial to the client compared to Royal Mail service and its constraints.

The joys of Mail-Order


We have previously used FedEx but they have decided that they do not want to send out our 4000+ poles a year due to their length. We are now trying TNT out as they are happy with longer consignments. We have looked at DPD but they use (along with several others) a software package which does not allow for such a high percentage of poles as we send out. This is why we are not currently using them. I personally think that the hour slot email and text is great and will be keen to see TNT introducing this level of time information. Downside of an hour time slot though is that when it does not work (which does happen) it leave recipients even more frustrated.

TNT are on a trial period with weekly visits from them so that we can feedback our thoughts on how the transfer is going.

Steve Sed

Re: Not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2012, 07:02:03 pm »
Steve, I think you are missing the point. Protection and customer service are two different things. Alex very often goes the extra mile and then some to ensure customer satisfaction, even if that cost his business money. I think Alex is highlighting the fact that the customer suffers from things going missing. Besides, plenty of things go missing even in Royal Mail.

Royal Mail are much better than people give them credit for. In my experience it was much better to replace the odd item that got lost than send everything signed for since so few things went missing. It depends what you sell though I think. As Alex said, delays are the biggest problem.

G Griffin

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Re: Not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2012, 07:29:01 pm »
Do Gardiners do a January sale like alot of retailers? I want to buy a supermax and a backpack but havent got the funds right now

Cheers,

Caleb

Yes, they do.
I'm queuing outside now in my sleeping bag.
Brrrr. Come on, Alex, hurry up.
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2012, 07:54:08 pm »
Do Gardiners do a January sale like alot of retailers? I want to buy a supermax and a backpack but havent got the funds right now

Cheers,

Caleb

Yes, they do.
I'm queuing outside now in my sleeping bag.
Brrrr. Come on, Alex, hurry up.

Pack up your sleeping bag mate it's not going to happen!

Although if you do visit we will give you a free pen ;D

Washing Windows

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Re: not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2012, 05:55:05 am »
That 1 hour window thing, that is such a good idea. It means, for me anyway, I can still work and pop back home in time for the delivery.

Exactly! It's a brilliant service.

Duncan

Mike #1

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Re: Not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2012, 06:58:17 am »
Fed-Ex not delivery anymore because they dont want the work unreal the amount of money and business they must have had over the years from gardiners  .  ??? ???. Mike

Mo Al

  • Posts: 35
Re: Not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2012, 04:14:04 pm »
ERM its something called INFLATION. lol

Alex Gardiner

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Re: not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2012, 05:01:46 pm »

Alex.  Do TNT do a delivery before a certain time of morning for extra charge?  If so, what extra do they charge for this.  I've sometimes found I'm better off paying the extra as it frees me up earlier to go to work.

I will have to check but I am sure that they do. This would only of course be able to apply if the goods were ordered on the phone and soon enough before the 4.30 courier pick up from the warehouse so that they could be packed, labelled and sent out the day before.

Fin Clearview

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Re: not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2012, 10:56:09 pm »
Dpd are great. get a text of time delivery.



+1 I had a text from them the other day to say parcel arriving in a 1hr window but as i was out all I had to do was click on the link and click leave with neighbour, I then got text later to say who it was left with. Brilliant- deliveries how it should be none of this am/pm rubbish.

ben M

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Re: not having a pop at gardiners..but
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2012, 10:59:03 pm »
Dpd are great. get a text of time delivery.



+1 I had a text from them the other day to say parcel arriving in a 1hr window but as i was out all I had to do was click on the link and click leave with neighbour, I then got text later to say who it was left with. Brilliant- deliveries how it should be none of this am/pm rubbish.
same for me, very good courier company!