[edward1]

 does any one have a 0 hour contract that was profesionally drawn up that i can purchase a copy from.
thx

[RO-Sheen]

I would like one too (sorry Edward1 if i got your hopes up when you saw you got a reply!  )

[William McCafferty]

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/work_e/work_rights_at_work_e/contracts_of_employment.htm#contracts_without_specific_working_hours

[edward1]

any one

[Steve Weatherley]

It's an interesting topic this.
Paul, an employer using this way of paying employees would disagree with you of course and maybe he is just trying to protect his own fragile income. However I think you have made an excellent case against zero contracts too. This is something I have been considering for a while rather than trying to struggle by on my own. I suppose some employess might be happy to have this kind of agreement - it depends on the circumstances of the individual. Having read your comments I am inclined to sit on your side of the fence. The idea of compensatory pay for missed work as mentioned on another recent thred sounds much fairer to me

[Steve Weatherley]

Apparently the other thread mentions 'lay-off-pay'. If you send an employee home without paying them it's illegal but a statutory payment of £23.50 per day can be paid. However only for 5 days in a 3 month period. After this I guess it's normal pay.

[andrew hamshare]

A subject close to my heart.

I took a job as a 'Zero Hero' (as the ah of a manager liked to refer to us) in January.  Talk about one sided!

Full of empty disingenuous assurances b ut when the hours dwindled due to 'operational requirements' I was out in the cold.  Worked my butt off to impress and secure a non-existent permanent position, learnt all the required new skills and even worked at very short notice to show my willingness and desire to work for them.

On more than one occasion towards the end of our relationship, they would phone me to cancel my shift whilst I was actually driving to work (30 mile round trip to boot).  So I met the head honcho and asked for a bit of discretion regards pay as I had started on the windows and was turning down work to accomodate them.  Bearing in mind I was under the misguided illusion that I owed these mofo's a favour for giving me a break, I thought it was a fair request.  Would not budge.

Following week P45 lands on doormat!

Now then.  As an ex-TU official, I never in my wildest dreams thought that I would not have the wherewithal to stand up for myself in the workplace, but I went through the t's & c's with a fine toothed comb thinking there must be some legal precement to protect against this but I was wrong.  Checked all the white papers, ACAS and TUC sites to no avail.

Therefore it is my considered opinion that they should be outlawed....but won't be as it is big business that runs this country ie Globalisation.

HOWEVER.
It is also my considered opinion that my P45 was the boot up the proverbial to take this glorified chore of a job (tfic) seriously, so thank you Sunlight Services (aka IHSS) and thanks for all the fish.

[matthewprice]

if you find a good worker and they can be hard to find ,and they are on a 0 hour contract ,and they dont get regular work they will jump ship

[thermoclean]

Problem is you can some people are great at interview but when they get a contract they do as little as possible. At least with a zero hours contract a small employer is limiting there liability if they are a rubbish worker then give them no hours they will soon walk and with no danger of any legal recourse of unfair dismissal.  Good workers have nothing to fear.

[andrew hamshare]

Some people need to be given a break.

[Perfect Windows]

Problem is you can some people are great at interview but when they get a contract they do as little as possible. At least with a zero hours contract a small employer is limiting there liability if they are a rubbish worker then give them no hours they will soon walk and with no danger of any legal recourse of unfair dismissal.  Good workers have nothing to fear.

You can do that by having a probationary period in a normal contract.  Good employers have nothing to fear.

Vin

[g.brookes]

I agree with perfect windows.  it seems the best option is to have a lengthy (2-3 month) probationary period which doesnt include sick pay or holiday pay etc.  it seems this is a long enough time to route anyone out who was planning on going off sick straight away, and a good length of time to see how well they will work with you.  then if youre happy after the 3 months then maybe give them a nice little bonus as a welcome to the company and give them a proper wage etc with their proper contract.  make it clear them them how they can increase their wages in the future and how they can get bonuses etc to give them something to aim for and youre sorted with a good employee hopefully

[edward1]

 my reason for wanting yhis 0 hr contract is that i am fed up of bad workers who after a fashion think that you cant do without them and become lazy and demanding.

personally ,i have been a good employer in the pastmore than fair  but repeatedly had problems.
i am a small buisness of 4 part time cleaners .thats general cleaning.{who are fine}and a contractor to a coulple of other wc.

[g.brookes]

edward, it just sound to me like the unavoidable stress of employing people.  I am not an expert, trying to pick up advice all the time but it sounds like there isnt much you can change, other than the relationship with your staff and your recruitment process to try and keep it as stress free as possible

[Steve Weatherley]

I wonder how many people who think zero hour contracts are bad are actually empoying people at the moment?

[Neil Gornall]

Apparently the other thread mentions 'lay-off-pay'. If you send an employee home without paying them it's illegal but a statutory payment of £23.50 per day can be paid. However only for 5 days in a 3 month period. After this I guess it's normal pay.

No, after the statuary requirement has been met you don't have to pay anything. In my opinion if your laying your staff off for longer then its not really a full time job you are offering anyway. If you have a full book and need to employ then its really only the weather that will affect and its very rare it will affect for that long. (unless you live in the frozen north where there be monsters) 

[Perfect Windows]

I wonder how many people who think zero hour contracts are bad are actually empoying people at the moment?

Me, for one.