[john martin]

 Another curious vid from Ashbys featuring 'under load ' testing 
 series vs parallel  ...  it has been said that series retains more cfm under load so its a more complex test result to decipher ...
 i kinda just dont trust them , but interesting vid

 also the 5.7's look like Electro three stages insted of lamb ?  wonder have they started using them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v8rFuiM1i4&feature=player_embedded

[AJB]

this demonstrates what i've always said, with no load the
6.6s are fantastic in comparison to 5.7s. But under load
you need the waterlift to pull air through the fabric/carpet.
ie with more lift you can pull more air through the wand carpet interface.

i think with greater resistance at the WCI you would see even greater difference,
as even the 5.7s only reached 95" of lift, well within the 6.6 parallels capabilities.

i cant find any specs on Electro motors, or possible suppliers.

[john martin]

this demonstrates what i've always said, with no load the
6.6s are fantastic in comparison to 5.7s. But under load
you need the waterlift to pull air through the fabric/carpet.
ie with more lift you can pull more air through the wand carpet interface.

i think with greater resistance at the WCI you would see even greater difference,
as even the 5.7s only reached 95" of lift, well within the 6.6 parallels capabilities.

i cant find any specs on Electro motors, or possible suppliers.

http://www.electromtr.com/bypass-tangential-exhaust-motors.htm

some data pdfs on the site ,  mytee uses them in the LTD and M5 range but they call them lmb2a .
Suppliers ?  perhaps direct from electro  ....  or they are rebranded  ' lighthouse ' here for the central vacuum site guys ...
http://www.centralvacuummotor.com/lighthouse.htm
look for the high airwatt models .

If Ashbys are using them in the Enforcer its no wonder they got  cocky all of a sudden , should be a very good machine .

[Jim_77]

What's that American company again?  The one who makes the best machines?

Not sure you've mentioned them before.....

[john martin]

What's that American company again?  The one who makes the best machines?

Not sure you've mentioned them before.....

 MYTEE    

  I refer to them because they are the most progressive and innovative out there  ...

  Although i would say the Uk probably has the finest portables in the world at the moment ,  Ashbys Enforcer , Alltec evolution , airflex turbo/storm  

 You don't still think im a supplier do you ...
 Although u spend a lot of time elsewhere and indoctrination is subtle    

  

[Garyj]

Now I can get the popcorn out 

No eating while you are performing 

Jim, you just been bitchslapped you need to come back strong on this one   

[Jim_77]

You forget, I don't use electric wheelie bins, therefore completely impartial on the subject which I'm sure your many hours of trawling the forums will tell you

Your own attempts at indoctrination are becoming clear "john"

[Russ Chadd]

Haha.. bitchslapped 
What machines do you use John out of interest?

[mark_roberts]

Just looked at the MYtee site and they do have some very interesting ideas.

Like the detachable portable for taking up steps which can double as a booster with pump out.
Electric TM looks well thought out.

And their machine look pretty too.

So anyone selling them over here yet?

Mark

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Mytee are just one I'd say if it wasn't for solutions bring in the triple vac (recoil) and then the 6.6 vacs then may be nobody would make them, alltec made the millennium but that died at the beginning of the century.

Shaun

[john martin]

You forget, I don't use electric wheelie bins, therefore completely impartial on the subject which I'm sure your many hours of trawling the forums will tell you

Your own attempts at indoctrination are becoming clear "john"

Have no idea what i would be preaching in your agenda fantasy    

Russ , i have couple of workhorses , getting new gear soon  

Mytee are available fom Woodbridge , but the choice hasnt been great so far , and they have not adapted their machines best utilize 230v  , now they are offering the LTD3  ...  but it dosnt have the powerfull electro motors and the low powered heater is not appropriate for a 230v zone ...
The LTD5 and M5 are the ones to get featuring electro motors/ general or cat pumps . Perhaps u can order through woodbridge .



Ashbys philosophy seems to be ...  optimize vacuum performance on one cord and leave the other cord for 3000w of heat .
On the website you see they combine ' Heavy duty' 5.7s with  ' standard '  5.7s  and even 7.2s
This is to optimize the performance without exceeding 12 or so amps .
The two electro motors in the video look the same  , but read the intro note, standard and heavy duty .... one is likely a high power tapered fan motor drawing almost 8 amps and the second a low powered unit only drawing about 4 .
This same combination is used on the Velocity Tech quad ETM  , a powerfull two stage electro is combined with a low powered three stage in series ...   Lift and cfm is boosted while keeping amp draw low .

[Jim_77]

Constantly side-stepping direct questions, applying spin.


"john"

[feldon]

Your not Alistair Campbell are you John   I think you would make a very good politician

[Billy Russell]

Your not Alistair Campbell are you John   I think you would make a very good politician

Alistair Campbell!!!! More like Boris Johnson!!! 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Did he sing the monster mash? Very apt as Halloween is coming up!

Shaun

[TonyBrowning]

This should make things a little clearer....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXn5gL3AaBs


Shame Matt had to go to such lengths, however nobody can afford to have their reputation tarnished.

[Paul Evans]

This should make things a little clearer....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXn5gL3AaBs


Shame Matt had to go to such lengths, however nobody can afford to have thier reputation tarnished.

Beat me to it Just received the email from Matt. Seems like he is taking action against ashbys. And as offered for both machines to be independently tested. We will see, would be nice to see the Jag in there all together.

Paul

[john martin]

 Thanks for that     well done Cleansmart

  Ashbys were pretty foolish to think they could get away with  that .



  Based on those figures though i really doubt if the twin 6.6 machines ( Storm etc ) are as powerfull  as the turbo ... and no matter how u add up the figures it isn't on paper either . 

[Buckland]

I got the same email from Cleansmart with the vid response. I went on to look at the ashbys vid and added the following comment afterwards but I note they are approving all replies before they are posted which is not as open as you would expect - after all they can always delete outrageous or defamatory comments.

I wonder if they will allow mine? here tis.

Viewers should know there is a response by Airflex which contradicts these findings significantly.  See it by searching for Airflex Turbo. I have no connection with that company.
 It appears that either the testing methods are faulty i.e genuine errors have been made - or one of these parties has deliberately fabricated test results. I note that comments on this channel are being screened before they are 'allowed' - if this 'fair comment' is not allowed then I may draw conclusions from that.

[jim mca]

Are the 5.7 electro motors more powerfull than the lamb amtech 5.7s as I have the airflex mini in series and is not as powerfull as a turbo, storm or jag