[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

It seems that all the major machine suppliers now have 2 x 6.6 vac motors.

Recent threads suggest that some are trying to claim higher cfm's for theirselves and lower for competitors, but with the same 'engines' can there really be much difference?

Obviously some are series and some parallel but how much difference does it make to the amount of water removed from the carpet?

Cheers

Doug

[robert meldrum]

I suppose it would depend on how much water is laid down and that could be enormous in some cases with everyone being told they need machines to have pumps with at least 500 psi which is absolute nonsense.

Sure if you high vacuum power you will have the potential to pull out more water from the carpet but it seems to me that people are being misled into thinking you must soak the carpet all the way down to the backing and hope you can pull it out without leaving the base wet and attract the obvious problems.

Chemicals are so good nowadays that you can thoroughly clean carpets with very low volumes of water and you simply do not need massive vacuum power as there is little to extract.

Standing by for broadsides from T/M'ers.

[John Kelly]

In my view the bigger and more powerfull your machine the quicker you can do the job. I could rattle off a 4 bedroomed house in less than half the time with a truckmount rather than a porty just because you don't have to keep emptying and filling and also because of greater flushing action.
But the fundamental secret to having a succesfull carpet cleaning business is to get the marketing right. This one thing is what makes the most difference not the size of your vacuum.

[Billy Russell]

not the size of your vacuum.

Well said john, i couldn't agree with you more! 


 

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

'Equip for show, Market for dough'!

Cheers

Doug

[Shaun_Ashmore]

He's a poet and he does not it!

Shaun

[Richard Cole]

But the fundamental secret to having a succesfull carpet cleaning business is to get the marketing right. This one thing is what makes the most difference not the size of your vacuum.

So what's the secret John?

Thanks for the email with regards to the pads, also how can we order Dynamall?

[robert meldrum]

Doug ....

Not sure if you meant to but you just hit the nail on the head, reminds me of a golfing term, " drive for show putt for dough " ..........

[stuart_clark]

I can quite easily clean a full three bedroom house with one full fill of my scorpy! Just thorough vacuminmg is needed and good pre conditioning, but with pump turned up to about 250 psi with my four jet westpack with 1.5 jets i always have water left in my machine!
Ive had three ninjas in the past, the last i used boosted, but none of them compares with my Scorpion!
carpets are left much drier as well

[james roffey]

All the bragging about power from different machines does is breed mistrust in the suppliers, surely common sense dictates that if a machine has the same engine driving it then the power would be near enough identical, of course marketing is more important than equipment but as Jeremy Clarkson says you can never have too much power 

[richie]

Now that more & more suppliers are using the twin 6.6 vacs, Nick @ Solutions is offering a modification to the Jag porties (at a cost) to boost the cfm.  Will this though mean his Jag is more powerful?   Well i guess that depends on how the likes of Cleansmart and Alltec have their machines set up.  The Mod Nick is offering involves removing the silencer (which will make the machine louder) to let the vacs breathe easier also read on CT that they are changing the 1.5" hoses that come directly off the vac motors for 2" hoses.  This leaves virtually no room at all inside the machine.  Its a easy enough job to take on with any machine providing theres room inside.  As for the claims of machines with the same vac motors having significant higher cfm....i dont see how that can be.

[AJB]

ed Valentine claims the motors used in the Jaguar
are specially built for cross American 
Lamb Ameteks minimum one off runs are reported
as 100,000 units.
If they are offering a modification to improve the
through air on the machine, then it was obviously
wrong to start with.
Last time i critisied the Jaguar when they first came
out, and they claimed massive lift, i.e combined.
I got a snotty email from nick telling me to shut up
as i didn't own one so had no right to comment.

[stuart_clark]

It dosen't realy matter how much you Modify the Jaguar, they are not a Reliable machine!!
Ive gone through 6 Vacume motors in ten months! Joe Hatton Is on his Fourth and he only works part time!
Nick has replaced loads more! He has told me that! There isn't enough Airflow around the Back motor! Number two motor and so it fails! then there is the problem The shutt offs dont work properley and Diddnt on the Scorpion, I had an engineer friend fit for me a water level cut off probe as the Scorpion was always Inhaling loads of water through the Vacs

[AJB]

My first machine a Woodbridge Powermate, had
electrical float switch shut off, great when it worked
but wool fibres used to clog it up stopping it working.
I think the Jaguar needs holes cutting in the base that
correspond with the clean air intake for vac' motors.
Also a 120mm exhaust fan pulling air out of the body.
When it comes it won't be a remedy, rather a new
improvement to increase vac motor efficiency thereby
raising CFM's even higher than is physically possible 

[AJB]

Stu i see on the other channel
they are now inferring your Jaguar was not
looked after, and was so bad they destroyed it.
Never a problem with Jaguars, only operator
error.

[richie]

Well thats just typical really.  Thing is as highlighted above, there is obviously a design fault / problem.  Instead of blaming carpet cleaners why not just address the problem and get it sorted?  These machines are designed to work and a lot are worked hard.  Its almost sounding like you are not allowed to work them hard because if you do they will break down and it will be your fault???

[richie]

Out of curiosity i wonder if the Jags in the US that runs at 115v are having the same problems?  These vacs that are failing are obviously over heating. 

[stuart_clark]

Well Guys
I wasn't going to make this Public, but when I was on Talking terms with Nick White, He told me he was going to Kick Cross American Into Touch, And has Started to Develope his own British Built Machines, He said that he haddn't fell out with Edd, but was sick and Tired of the Build quality of his Machines, The Jaguar is a light and powerful machine, it certainly has more suck than the Scorpion! But probably more lift and less airflow! you cant have it both ways, But unfortunately there are a lot of Numptes on CT that will believe Anything that JB and NVW says! Sad realy but thats how it is on CT nowadays
I am quite a busy carpet cleaner and my machine would probably get at least twenty five hours of continual use in any one week! The vacume cut offs DONT WORK on Either MACHINE THATS DEVELOPED BY CROSS AMERICAN so you can see why the Vacumes swallow water from time to time
I had in ten months gone through 6 vacume motors! All number two, Nick white couldnt or wouldnt admit there was a problem with the machine, But other people have had the same problem, Joe Hatton is one of them! The same problem Number two motor!  I even swopped the number one motor to the numberTwo position and it lasted about a month, So how can that be operater error! ? Ive used my old Scorpion ever since i returned the Jaguar back to NVW and havent had the slightest problem with it! that was nearly four months ago! so you make your own mind up ?

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

If a machine or tool fails it is the fault of the user, we have all been there!

Cheers

Doug

[stuart_clark]

Alright Doug
It must be all my fault mate! Doh