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DEANNO

  • Posts: 13
Van heaters
« on: August 27, 2012, 09:18:05 am »
I know it's early but got to get this done before winter, not buying new membrane and housings yet again!
Going to get a eberspacher or a propex, not interested in fan heaters/rads etc. parked van away from a socket overnight once when I had no choice and it froze so no electric! Going to work out cheaper in the long run to spend on the diesel or gas option.
My question is, who uses either and how do you get on with them?
I had decided on a eberspacher but reading up on them I'm now not so sure as someone told me they are not really designed to be started and stopped a lot by a thermostat? Don't really know much about the propex except it means lugging a gas bottle, although if it works I'm happy with that.
Not cheap for either so I want to get it right first time.

Spruce

  • Posts: 8690
Re: Van heaters
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2012, 10:12:20 am »
I know it's early but got to get this done before winter, not buying new membrane and housings yet again!
Going to get a eberspacher or a propex, not interested in fan heaters/rads etc. parked van away from a socket overnight once when I had no choice and it froze so no electric! Going to work out cheaper in the long run to spend on the diesel or gas option.
My question is, who uses either and how do you get on with them?
I had decided on a eberspacher but reading up on them I'm now not so sure as someone told me they are not really designed to be started and stopped a lot by a thermostat? Don't really know much about the propex except it means lugging a gas bottle, although if it works I'm happy with that.
Not cheap for either so I want to get it right first time.

Not sure why someone told you the Eberspatcher isn't designed to work off a thermostat - these units are how thousands of truckers keep their sleeper cabs warm in the winter.
I have one in my van, which can be set on a timer overnight to keep the van warm. (We use an electric heater on a thermostat to keep the vans from freezing at the moment).
There is an optional thermostat that is more temperature sensitive and would probably work better.

One of the problems I see from experience would be the cost of diesel to run the unit. On tickover it uses about 1/3 of a litre per hour. It won't be running all the time, but will use more diesel when it starts up. (I would guess at diesel prices today it could cost you +-£10 a night.) The other issue is that it the 'glowplug' draws a fair burst of current ( around 12 amps for about 30 seconds) to get the diesel flame ignited, so if it restarts many times in the night, then the drain on the battery is a consideration, probably even to the extent of a larger leisure battery or a second one to supply the over night heater.

There are a couple on here who have fitted a gas Propex air heater, which is the way I would go TBH. I would also have an LPG autogas tank fitted in the van that can be filled from an Autogas pump at some Petrol stations. Its more expensive than an diesel heater but the lower cost of gas will reduce the deficit. The Propex heater also uses must less battery power to start it. Its design is the same as an Eberspatcher - mounted on the vans floor with 2 holes to the outside, one for air intake and the other for exhaust.

I guess the Propex unit needs an exhaust silencer. The Eberspatcher does - without it, it sounds like a jet engine and I can hear it around the back of the house I'm working on when it's running, so I couldn't use this as it is at night.
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CRYSTAL1984

  • Posts: 122
Re: Van heaters
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2012, 02:46:48 pm »
have a look at this website I had one fitted cost a week with 2 men £12.00

http://procareproducts.co.uk/lpg-hot-water-system-upgrade.html

Spruce

  • Posts: 8690
Re: Van heaters
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2012, 04:14:11 pm »
have a look at this website I had one fitted cost a week with 2 men £12.00

http://procareproducts.co.uk/lpg-hot-water-system-upgrade.html

£12.00? :o
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Van heaters
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2012, 05:05:05 pm »
Diesel heaters draw a lot of power when starting up, so you'd be best fitting another battery to make sure your system can cope with the drain.

I've got a gas heater in my van & a thermostatic controller - when the temp drops the controller starts my pump/heater & the warm water re-circulates back to the tank - when the temp rises again the controller switches it off again. Still - when I can get an extension lead out to my van, I prefer to use aquarium heaters cause I feel they're safer than a gas heater running unattended, no matter how well installed it is.

DEANNO

  • Posts: 13
Re: Van heaters
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2012, 07:34:38 pm »
I was told the diesel ones are designed to be left on overnight and turned down which would heat the van up yes, but all i want is to keep the frost out. I assume if it's on all night they will use a lot of diesel. Apparently the glow plugs only allow a certain amount of start ups, i think he said 365, if it's on and off it will soon use them up.
Do the propex ones have to be left on or will they turn on and off with a thermostat? Not too fussed about the Battery usage as i have a large leisure battery anyway.
Not after a hot system as i have a fogwash that i use in the winter, all i want is to keep the van frost free.
Got caught out last year a couple of times by just visiting friends in the evening and not plugging i the fan heater. I do tend to use the van away from work so just want an easy frost protector.

mac74

  • Posts: 494
Re: Van heaters
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2012, 08:07:59 pm »
Ive got a propex hs2000 (£440), and found it great, yea u can leave it on the thermostat 2 go on and off all nite, but on its even on its lowest setting i found it still a bit over warm in a sml van. So i bought a 12v timer (about £40) and u can set it to how bad the cold is, ie: in mild winter set timer to turn stat on, at say 1am and turn off about 7am, this saves on gas, rather than having to go 2 the van b4 bed time and 1st thing on wakeup. Also im sure u know that uve got drill 2 watch face size holes in the van floor for the air in and c.o out, also make sure u earth the leisure battery otherwise the propex will try to earth itself through its own circuit board, causing it to blow. Good luck m

Rob_Mac

Re: Van heaters
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2012, 08:16:25 pm »
DEANNO

Eberspacher will run off red diesel. I pay 85 pence per litre and have a 5 gallon metal drum attached. They cost no money at all to run and are a lot less expensive and safer than gas bottles (that may void your vehicle insurance).

Probably more expensive to buy as they can retail new at £1200.00 - £1600.00, you can pick a second hand one up off Ebay round the £250.00 - £600.00 mark

Go on a forum for camper van conversions and there will be loads of answers to your questions!!

Rob ;D

Frankybadboy

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Re: Van heaters
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2012, 08:42:27 pm »
DEANNO

Eberspacher will run off red diesel. I pay 85 pence per litre and have a 5 gallon metal drum attached. They cost no money at all to run and are a lot less expensive and safer than gas bottles (that may void your vehicle insurance).

Probably more expensive to buy as they can retail new at £1200.00 - £1600.00, you can pick a second hand one up off Ebay round the £250.00 - £600.00 mark

Go on a forum for camper van conversions and there will be loads of answers to your questions!!

Rob ;D
and these heaters are made to last,trust me i lived with one for 15years,try a lorry scapper

Spruce

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Re: Van heaters
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2012, 07:26:06 am »
DEANNO

Eberspacher will run off red diesel. I pay 85 pence per litre and have a 5 gallon metal drum attached. They cost no money at all to run and are a lot less expensive and safer than gas bottles (that may void your vehicle insurance).

Probably more expensive to buy as they can retail new at £1200.00 - £1600.00, you can pick a second hand one up off Ebay round the £250.00 - £600.00 mark

Go on a forum for camper van conversions and there will be loads of answers to your questions!!

Rob ;D

Hi Rob

Who sells small quantities of red diesel?

I'm told that heating oil also works, but again there is a minimium quantity you can order.

Thanks

Spruce
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Rob_Mac

Re: Van heaters
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2012, 04:24:20 pm »
Spruce

Depends where you are. I get 20 litre containers (my own) that I refill. Roughly £15.00 per tub but I get about £200.00 worth a time.

There's always somewhere local to anyone that sells it.

Rob ;D

Smudgeoff Cleaning Services

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Re: Van heaters
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2012, 05:17:58 pm »
I know it's early but got to get this done before winter, not buying new membrane and housings yet again!
Going to get a eberspacher or a propex, not interested in fan heaters/rads etc. parked van away from a socket overnight once when I had no choice and it froze so no electric! Going to work out cheaper in the long run to spend on the diesel or gas option.
My question is, who uses either and how do you get on with them?
I had decided on a eberspacher but reading up on them I'm now not so sure as someone told me they are not really designed to be started and stopped a lot by a thermostat? Don't really know much about the propex except it means lugging a gas bottle, although if it works I'm happy with that.
Not cheap for either so I want to get it right first time.

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