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sunshine windies

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Battery / system help please
« on: August 21, 2012, 09:06:48 pm »
I have a relay system running in the  van i bought with system fitted, today the leisure battery in the back went flat took it in got a new one no probs i thought  ::)

now this new battery isnt charging off the alternator so i am thinking maybe  the old battery wasnt the problem maybe it just wasnt charging, now what i would like to know if anyone knows is this...

Previously when i turned the ignition i would hear a noise from the switch relay similar to when the pump is dead ending, now though i have noticed that noise isnt happening when i turn the ignition?
I am at a loss with this VERY frustrating , any ideas anyone?

cheers
scott

Spruce

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Re: Battery / system help please
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2012, 10:00:32 pm »
Unfortunately, identifying if your have a failed leisure battery isn't easy. So you have to check what isn't the problem.

The first thing we would do ourselves is to check that the SCR is infact supplying a charge to the leisure battery. There should be 2 fuses protecting the circuit. The first will be near the van battery's positive terminal and the second should be close to the leisure battery's positve terminal. You need to check that both fuses haven't blown.

2 of our SCRs are intelligent units and only kick in a few moments after the van has started as the initial charge goes to the van battery. If someone else starts the van and you stand with your ear near the unit, you can hear it click on. But this won't be the case with the 3rd SCR as that operates automatically as the van's alternator charging circuit operates that.

We have a voltmeter and the initial lesiure voltage test is to check the battery's voltage at rest. Then start the engine and see if the volt meter shows a higher voltage once the engine is running for a few minutes. If it shows a higher voltage the leisure battery is receiving a charge.

We bench charge the battery every couple of evenings as we don't do enough miles for the van alternator to replenish the day's useage. If you keep drawing out more than you put back, then the battery will soon be empty - flat. If we spend 4 hours on the glass and our pump draws 3,5amps per hour, then we have drawn 14 amps from the battery that day.

It takes us about 10 minutes each way to drive home and back to the job the following morning. If the alternator is charging the leisure battery at 8.00 amps per hour, then we have only replaced 2.7amps back into the battery while driving.  

Our 3rd van does an 18 mile round trip every working day, and a 25mile trip every second weekend. That van's alternator just manages to keep it's leisure battery reasonably fully charged, so only needs a top up every couple of weeks or so.

If you do regularily bench charge your leisure battery and it's a few years old then just replace it. If it's not old and you don't top up the charge, then the battery was probably just flat.

We can't test a leisure battery in the same way as we test a car battery. With a car battery it is fully charged with the filler caps removed, then put under load. If the water in the cells starts bubbling, then you have a duff battery and the solution is to replace it. Unfortunately most leisure batters are sealed and aren't designed to discharge under load like a starter battery is.
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sunshine windies

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Re: Battery / system help please
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2012, 10:12:44 pm »
Very helpful that , thanks

strange thing is i have used it that way for about 11 months without ever bench charging it, by the sounds of it i ve been pretty lucky it lasted this long!!

Any tips on a decent bench charger please?

Spruce

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Re: Battery / system help please
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2012, 10:21:54 pm »
We use a Numax 10 amp intelligent charger for motorhomes. I does everything up to 135amp in standard batteries. Both smaller vans have 85 amp batteries and mine has a 110 amp battery.
I think I paid about £70.00 for it, but Halfords will do something similar a bit cheaper which others say is just as good.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Spruce

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Re: Battery / system help please New
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2012, 10:28:13 pm »
Very helpful that , thanks

strange thing is i have used it that way for about 11 months without ever bench charging it, by the sounds of it i ve been pretty lucky it lasted this long!!

Any tips on a decent bench charger please?

It's not always how many miles you travel, but how long it takes you to get there. The vans alternator charges the same on idle as it does at 3000 rpm. So if you spend an hour each day in the traffic, the battery is getting a longer charge as your engine idles.

The battery also accepts a higher charge when it is say half charged. But as the battery becomes more fully charged, then it will get to a point where it is only accepting a minimal charge of less than an amp.

I only ever see my alternator charge at above 10 amps for a few seconds after start up, and in 5 years have never blown a 15 amp fuse.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)