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i got turned down for a business loan, they said i needed a busness plan, so i went away and did a business plan, when i went back they still said no, i asked why and the guy said, TBH, we always send people away who haven't got an income to cover the loan, the business plan is a smokescreen. so i went to the top honcho and complained that they had made me do all this work for nothing and they were a disgrace etc.. so they borrowed me half and gave me the other half as an overdraft fascility. so there ya go, business plans are sheeeeyite and thats from the horses mouth, actually, from the black horses mouth, ha ha, dya get it, black horse? that bank with the horse? the black one? awwwwww forget it.