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Poll

what the best way of gaining large amounts of commercial work

right time right place got lucky
33.3%
18 (33.3%)
getting in with commercial cleaning companies
11.1%
6 (11.1%)
writing and phoning block management companies
5.6%
3 (5.6%)
contacting construction companies
1.9%
1 (1.9%)
estate agents/letting agents
5.6%
3 (5.6%)
website
11.1%
6 (11.1%)
cold calling
13%
7 (13%)
telesales
11.1%
6 (11.1%)
when carry out one job email phone and chase them for other work

0 (0%)
other please specify
7.4%
4 (7.4%)

Total Members Voted: 31

Voting closed: August 12, 2012, 12:19:41 am

richywilts

  • Posts: 4262
whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« on: August 02, 2012, 12:19:41 am »
just wondering how the guys who have a fair amount of commercial tend to build up there portfolios where i live there aint a huge amount to go around but i do live close to motorway networks for most of northwest and looking to build this up so it 50% of my business i tend to get bit n pieces of commercial and not afraid to try bigger projsect
Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

richardwiltshire36@yahoo.co.uk
www.windowcleandirect.co.uk
07894821844

dannymack

  • Posts: 1624
Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 07:42:36 am »
Stay clear and leave to the big boys lol like me Richy Boy !

p1w1

  • Posts: 3873
Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 07:42:54 am »
you left out bribes and back handers  ;D

AuRavelling79

  • Posts: 26697
Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2012, 08:43:31 am »
You left out "Dunno" and "Don't care" options.
It's a game of three halves!

G Griffin

  • Posts: 40745
Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2012, 08:51:53 am »
It's obvious, innit? Ask on CIU  ;D.
You just have to put the effort in sometimes, Richy. 
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

Steve Sed

Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 08:53:28 am »
Agree with don't care.

Rob_Mac

Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2012, 08:55:15 am »
Do the very best job you can, be the best representation of your business service, invest in your business over and over and over, put out introductory info and put some more out and put some more out, ask for appointments, be disappointed, ask for some more, ask for some more, keep taking disappointments.

Get the break and then trade on the client/s.

There is no answer but if you want it be prepared for a great deal of disappointment until you get the breaks!!!

Easy really!!!

Rob ;D

richywilts

  • Posts: 4262
Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2012, 10:37:14 am »
to be honest ive put in a lot of effort to get commercial prob more than most but just not had a lucky break really cheers rob i just need to give a constant effort i tend to approach commercial in flits of effort suppose it just building relationships with people and constantly ringing them.

id just like to get in with someone who can provide me apartment blocks etc where i can send a team out and not havent calls etc saying they not left gate open!! but ive not had much look in getting large amount of commercial work fro one client it all tends to be one off cleans id just like some regular work and try and get a 50/50 mix of domestic and commercial

gold: do one ya muppet if ya dont care dont comment
Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

richardwiltshire36@yahoo.co.uk
www.windowcleandirect.co.uk
07894821844

Ben wood

Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2012, 12:42:13 pm »
Richly I was sending out letters but never got any replys so I went knocking last week and I am quoting a school at 2 so I think it's best to find out who sorts out the cleaning and go in and see them so good luck mate hope all is well with you

Rob_Mac

Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2012, 12:53:28 pm »
If your getting yourself to the point where you are doing one off cleans, for commercial clients and they aren't asking you to look at other works, then ask them -'have you got any other work you would like me to look at?'

Get yourself in with estate agents & letting agents.

Keep banging out introductory info. The law of averages has to be that if you put enough out you have to get enquiries!!!

Is your leaflet right?. Is your introduction right?. Is how you represent your business right?

Are you the best service provider?. Are you too expensive?. Are you capable of giving them a decent end product?.

Do people think you must be crap because you are too cheap?.

I waited a very, very long time before I got my first commercial client - when I was doing residential work and I thought it was never going to happen.

Now all I have is commercial clients - it isn't the be all and end all.

I am in the last stages of putting a domestic arm back onto my cleaning services, with independent website, literature and everything else, so have gone full circle. It wont encompass residential window cleaning but I know it will pull in commercial clients and will give me bigger options that I am happy to admit I should never have let go in the first place.

Everything is possible if you have enough determination and stamina but if you aren't good at what you do or can't give the desired end result or if your face doesn't fit or a million other reasons you wont get the work.

I don't know why you have the battles you have, I could tell you in an instant if I was with you for a morning but maybe this isn't your area and you should be looking at another way of making money - I don't know if this is right - I may be way off the mark.

Me personally - I know if I went into offering a service where I had to interact with idiots then I would fail because I have no patience, a very short fuse and a desire to knock the nose off the face.

We have situations all the time where I have to rein it in, we pressure wash an area on a store front and some trade comes along and starts cutting or mixing up on it, we have to do it again.

It used to wind me up all the time but it is just more work- I mind a lot less now.

Maybe you need to change the way you think. Maybe you need to change the way you work. Maybe you need a role model that you are prepared to listen to and act on their findings, whether you like it or not!!!!

There are a lot of very good business people on the forum, not just window cleaners, carpet cleaners, pressure washers etc etc pick up the phone and speak to them, go and see them, see what they are doing right, what their mistakes have been but if you want honesty I will give it you - I couldn't give you any work because you don't give me any reason to think that you are capable of doing it.

Speak less on public forums about the problems, feed from the people that seem to be doing well, reinvent yourself as a capable and able business man and that confidence will filter out to the client/s you want.

It isn't just one thing it is the whole thing!!!!

Good luck

Rob ;D

Lee Burbidge

  • Posts: 2287
Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2012, 12:58:07 pm »
Its a numbers game  ;D

richywilts

  • Posts: 4262
Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2012, 02:07:53 pm »
If your getting yourself to the point where you are doing one off cleans, for commercial clients and they aren't asking you to look at other works, then ask them -'have you got any other work you would like me to look at?'

Get yourself in with estate agents & letting agents.

Keep banging out introductory info. The law of averages has to be that if you put enough out you have to get enquiries!!!

Is your leaflet right?. Is your introduction right?. Is how you represent your business right?

Are you the best service provider?. Are you too expensive?. Are you capable of giving them a decent end product?.

Do people think you must be crap because you are too cheap?.

I waited a very, very long time before I got my first commercial client - when I was doing residential work and I thought it was never going to happen.

Now all I have is commercial clients - it isn't the be all and end all.

I am in the last stages of putting a domestic arm back onto my cleaning services, with independent website, literature and everything else, so have gone full circle. It wont encompass residential window cleaning but I know it will pull in commercial clients and will give me bigger options that I am happy to admit I should never have let go in the first place.

Everything is possible if you have enough determination and stamina but if you aren't good at what you do or can't give the desired end result or if your face doesn't fit or a million other reasons you wont get the work.

I don't know why you have the battles you have, I could tell you in an instant if I was with you for a morning but maybe this isn't your area and you should be looking at another way of making money - I don't know if this is right - I may be way off the mark.

Me personally - I know if I went into offering a service where I had to interact with idiots then I would fail because I have no patience, a very short fuse and a desire to knock the nose off the face.

We have situations all the time where I have to rein it in, we pressure wash an area on a store front and some trade comes along and starts cutting or mixing up on it, we have to do it again.

It used to wind me up all the time but it is just more work- I mind a lot less now.

Maybe you need to change the way you think. Maybe you need to change the way you work. Maybe you need a role model that you are prepared to listen to and act on their findings, whether you like it or not!!!!

There are a lot of very good business people on the forum, not just window cleaners, carpet cleaners, pressure washers etc etc pick up the phone and speak to them, go and see them, see what they are doing right, what their mistakes have been but if you want honesty I will give it you - I couldn't give you any work because you don't give me any reason to think that you are capable of doing it.

Speak less on public forums about the problems, feed from the people that seem to be doing well, reinvent yourself as a capable and able business man and that confidence will filter out to the client/s you want.

It isn't just one thing it is the whole thing!!!!

Good luck

Rob ;D

cheers rob i hear what your saying to be honest im feeling the best i have in a long time got a new start now at this business hopefully everything that has happened in last year is all in the past it has taken my attention away from the business but im now rid of the ex and finally getting over the aftermath of the break ins and staff back stabbing me, im now 100% committed to the business again and over the depression i was suffering which i think was stress related due to my ex, young baby and financial difficulties from the break ins. ive got my hunger back again and focus and want to work again towards my vision.

im keeping things controlled this time and managing staff more hands on so they dont get away with stuff ive learnt my lessons and wont be getting the p took out of me again
Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

richardwiltshire36@yahoo.co.uk
www.windowcleandirect.co.uk
07894821844

Darranvps

Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2012, 05:46:04 pm »
Richy it's quite simple really.

You need to be me  ;D

Rob_Mac

Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2012, 06:40:55 pm »
There you go Richy

Another fine example of how it should be done!!!

Rob ;D

Darranvps

Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2012, 07:12:42 pm »
There you go Richy

Another fine example of how it should be done!!!

Rob ;D

How you doing Rob - keeping busy I hope!

Rob_Mac

Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2012, 07:21:07 pm »
Darren

Down your way at some point next week - Camberley M & S - roof clean.

Good - just gone through a quiet spell but slowly revving up to our busiest period.

Give Richy some of your knowledge!!!!!

Rob ;D

Dean Taberner

  • Posts: 4164
Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2012, 07:27:46 pm »
Richy,

Having a go of the euromillions tomorrow is the best option mate by far.

Cheers,

Dean.
Operations manager at J.V Price Ltd

http://www.thepricegroup.co.uk

Frankybadboy

  • Posts: 9024
Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2012, 07:31:08 pm »
Richy,

Having a go of the euromillions tomorrow is the best option mate by far.

Cheers,

Dean.
classic dean ;D ;D ;D

glen parva

Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2012, 07:59:48 pm »
we joined a networking group costs about £800 per year
best thing we did joined dec2011 we now have tripled our investment withinn 7 months

 

Moderator David@stives

  • Posts: 8829
Re: whats the best route for gaining lots of commercial
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2012, 08:32:43 pm »
Richy

Commercial will give you 10x the headaches that you get with domestic