[Dean Taberner]

Hello,

I'm officially on holiday now, the first one in nearly 5 years and I've decided that I'm going to review my employee's contracts of employment.

I've noticed through facebook that one of my employee's seems to partake in smoking cannabis. He can't be very bright considering that he requested me as a friend and is not frightened of posting pictures of his activities away from window cleaning.

Anyway,

Without taking it too personal, how dow I go about requesting a drugs test from this guy? Does it need to be added to his contract of employment?

All is fair in love and war.

Dean.

[AC Window Cleaning]

if theres pics of him getting blazed,do you really need to bother? lol

[Richard iSparkle]

i would imagine that even if it wasnt in his contract you could get away with it as he is driving a vehicle so has to be fit and safe to work.

you might want to warn them that you will be drugs testing them regularly from now on for insurance purposes, as your insurance will be null and void if theyre under the influence.

do you have a contract and a seperate staff handbook?  if you do, you can just alter the staff handbook as and when you wish to include this new policy, so long as you inform them you are changing it.  this is by far the best setup for contracts as it offers flexibility with your rules

[Dean Taberner]

I believe so yes,

Even though it seems pretty clear its not enough. Its like somebody going to a fancy dress party as a bank robber and trying to have them for that. (As the law sees it).

I do already have proper drugs testing kits which I've recently purchased but I've nothing in the contract of employment to enforce it.

[colin purewater]

Long as he ain't doing it in work dean and turns
Up every day I wouldnt  put a cat amongst the pigeons mate!

Just my opinion mate

[TomCrowther]

When I worked at very large companies, they often updated the employee handbook throughout the year and just emailed the entire workforce, saying this has changed, something has been introduced etc. It's your business Dean, check with your accountant but if you want to do regular checks then where's the problem? If an employee won't have it then you start the "procedure".

[Dean Taberner]

Colin,

It isn't something that I can turn a blind eye to mate, my family are a big police family and both myself and my wife are part time police officers.

We take pride in trying to offer a service where clients know our background (I know we probably shouldn't) and they're happy with us.

Hence, he needs to go, legally.

Nothing is ever straight forward,

Dean.

[richywilts]

if hes a good worker dean and doesnt bring drugs to work or take them in work time and it doesnt affect his work should you really interfere i know people will say if he has accident etc blah blah blah, im not a cannabis user myself i never have been but i wouldnt start sacking people for doing it in there own time if they were a good worker however if they werent pulling there weight etc then its an option

[Dean Taberner]

if hes a good worker dean and doesnt bring drugs to work or take them in work time and it doesnt affect his work should you really interfere i know people will say if he has accident etc blah blah blah, im not a cannabis user myself i never have been but i wouldnt start sacking people for doing it in there own time if they were a good worker however if they werent pulling there weight etc then its an option

Richy,

I am told that he does bring it to work,

And even more disturbing he actually recently has had an accident at work.

I kid you not.

Dean.

[stuart mc]

if hes a good worker dean and doesnt bring drugs to work or take them in work time and it doesnt affect his work should you really interfere i know people will say if he has accident etc blah blah blah, im not a cannabis user myself i never have been but i wouldnt start sacking people for doing it in there own time if they were a good worker however if they werent pulling there weight etc then its an option

richy I would go along with that but for the fact it is illegal, if he enjoyed a few pints and turned up sober every day fine, but cannabis use is illegal

anyway dean haven't a clue, when I was in the forces I just got told one day the Army was introducing compulsory drug testing and that was that, the good news for you if you do test them, cannabis takes around 28 days to leave your system so is easy to catch, amphetamines can be clear in 72 hours so harder to catch, then their is the whole legal side of making sure it is provable etc, we used to have to appoint urine monitors ach it was just a nightmare   

[DG Cleaning]

If he's bringing it into work then its a big no no. However what he does in his time is his business. By the way alcohol is rated by most experts to be more harmful than cannabis bet you'd struggle to find someone who doesn't drink.

[AC Window Cleaning]

If he's bringing it into work then its a big no no. However what he does in his time is his business. By the way alcohol is rated by most experts to be more harmful than cannabis bet you'd struggle to find someone who doesn't drink.

I agree there,someone who had 6 reefers before sleep is fare safer than somebody who had 6 pints

[ben M]

Sack him!!

[richywilts]

i wouldnt have him bringing it into work that shudnt be allowed id sit down with him tell him u know that he smokes it, why ur against it, say he may bring name of your business down posting pics etc and that u will be introducing drug testing and any positive test will result in sack

[colley614]

Dean,

I see where you are coming from. My personal opinion towards this is still being made.

As an ex soldier I got it drummed into me that "Drugs are bad, um kay" I remember coming home from leave for the first time and sitting in a room full of pot head mates. Within half an hour I was sat in the pub with my dad. I totally changed my attitude. As you say you are a part time Police officer and as far as I'm concerned this makes you an upstanding member of the community and have to behave in such a way.

I worked in a company full of pot heads and although they told me they never did it in work it was obvious they did and as far as I'm concerned, why bring it into work if you have no intention of using it. If I was in the position you are I would get a company handbook or if you already have one then update it to say that drugs are not tolerated in your company and you reserve the right to drugs testing.

When you get back to work, why not have a tool box talk with the lads and bring this subject up.

[clean]

Dean what are you messing about at ? just sack him as it obviously is bothering you what he is doing so if he dones`nt work for you anymore then you won`t have the problem,simple !

[AC Window Cleaning]

Just a thought,is your company name listed as "works at...." on his page??
Wouldnt that be bringing the company name into disrepute??

[Steve Sed]

He cleans windows, he isn't a premiership footballer or a brain surgeon. But that said, if it bothers you, then sack him.

[Erithwc]

if hes a good worker dean and doesnt bring drugs to work or take them in work time and it doesnt affect his work should you really interfere i know people will say if he has accident etc blah blah blah, im not a cannabis user myself i never have been but i wouldnt start sacking people for doing it in there own time if they were a good worker however if they werent pulling there weight etc then its an option

your sure  about that it would explian some of your out there posts 

[colin purewater]

Colin,

It isn't something that I can turn a blind eye to mate, my family are a big police family and both myself and my wife are part time police officers.

We take pride in trying to offer a service where clients know our background (I know we probably shouldn't) and they're happy with us.

Hence, he needs to go, legally.

Nothing is ever straight forward,

Dean.

I thought i was being wound up when I was told that you did
Part time copper!
Dean were do you find the time mate

Well that's fair enough mate if smoking in work that ain't on,
Just tell all your staff that they are being drug tested within the month
And if anyone has any problem with it it's best to speak up,

He might jump before he's pushed