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Simon I think you made Geoff cross.
As I understand it, the only way to legally avoid vat is to set up 2 separate legal entities offering different services.For example, I still supply and install carpets and flooring, so I can stay self-employed as a carpet cleaner and also be a Director of a limited company offering supply and fit packages. This way both firms can trade under the vat threshold, or one can be vat registered and one not.I stand to be corrected but I'm pretty sure this is the case.I don't think the same rules apply to sole trader and partnership set-ups.