[Billy Russell]

but until then i feel i have to make it my mission to inform the uninformed about the true nature of those behind the organisation .

Sorry Creighton, i disagree,  Have you been to any of the meetings to find out a little bit more of how exactly its run? Apparently all members are welcome, and i agree with garyJ, it now looks like you have ulterior motives! I am a member of both the NCCA and TACCA, and will continue to be, if i have any issues with either, i will contact them first and try dealing with it through the right channels first before putting on a public forum.

[creighton foyle]

garyj there is no ulterior motive, just a very peed off member that thinks they are taking the p##s.

when i said it was lucrative for some members to be on the board of directors i was not thinking that they get first pick of the leads,in fact i like to believe that any leads generated are refered fairly.

informing the unimformed ? well there are going to be two sides to this story and the side i am on is that i have been a member for two years and got absolutely nothing for my membership, i did not join to get leads or referals i joined because i thought in my ignorance of the trade that the ncca was a prestigious organisation known throughout the country and to have their logo and backing would be good for my business however that is not the case most people i ask have never heard of them so it would seem my money has been wasted.

the ncca training course was much more expensive than others yet it is exactly the same in content as the one i did at cleansmart yet they will not allow anyone who completes the cleansmart training to become a member why is this ? because they exist to make money for themselves, they seem to use the money they make to recruit new members and run training course (do they teach these for free ? ) when they should be educating the public because most of them have never heard of the ncca. it would be interesting to know the figures ie how many more members does the ncca have now than ten years ago and how many have left and joined in each year.

on the other extreme the ncca do an excellent 1 day leather course but will not do a three day one like ltt does because they say they do not want to upset an associate member yet they will not organise one using ltt. cleansmart are associate members too.

 perhaps if all directors were excluded from training members for a fee (i am assuming they get paid) and other trainers were used maybe that would alter their focus a little. now there are some who will say that the trainers they have are at the top of the tree and i would not disagree with that but there are other equally qualified people who available who are not members of the ncca and therefore have no vested interest in the ncca revenue stream.

what the issue is for me is that the ncca is supposed to be for us not against us and surely even if peoples opinions are the opposite of mine this issue with the sixty day rule is a rule that is of no benefit to the members and in fact is detremental to anyone who wants to leave and has not made that decision 60 days before renewal is due.

[creighton foyle]

billy i can't see what my ulterior motive could be, so if you or garyj could spell it out i would be grateful. I just want the ncca to accept that i did send them a letter and that it is possible it was lost in the post.

i contacted glyn charnock on the email given and i got a letter back attached to i think it was nikkis email which makes me think she wrote for him otherwise why would'nt he send it direct to me attached to his mail ?.

i am happy for people to have a different opinion to me, thats what makes the world go round but why is everybody assuming i have not comunicated with the ncca. i do not see this as a private issue i am not telling lies so if i am happy to discuss this on the forum its my choice.

also my "statement informing the unimformed" was made whilst i was drinking which i am sure we all have done in the past .  :

[Garyj]

Well you've started 2 threads in the space of a couple of days that are essentially the same thing. Both slagging off the same organisation. I think as you are an old hand around here you have been given an easy time, I think a few of the replies are trying to say "get over it and stop ya whinging" but luckily for me you haven't  .

Well as you want me to spell it out I will.

Is your ulterior motive the fact you have joined another organisation?

[Garyj]

I didn't see you had 2 posts. One says that you don't have an ulterior motive, the other asks for the ulterior motive to be spelled out.

I thought I would rise to the bait of the second post and spell out what you know I am thinking.

Just for the fun of it of course well I watch the Corrie catch up before I get on with some work.

[creighton foyle]

and i thought i was being angry and having a rant.

[Garyj]

and i thought i was being angry and having a rant.

Naaa you went passed that 2 days ago and are firmly in whinging git territory.