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Jamie Lindsay

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domestic quoting
« on: May 22, 2012, 09:54:35 pm »
when yous guys quote do yous quote by sqm or by how long the job will take ?

Kev Loomes

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 10:09:30 pm »
Sq ft. That way its the same rate for everyone which I think is more fair - as opposed to guessing with nothing to logically back it up. Thats my view anyway.

But each to their own, I know some people will do it by the room and thats perfectly fine. The only problem I have with it is when bait & switch is used. But I'm sure that isnt done by anyone on here though.

Carpet Dawg

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 10:11:14 pm »
Have you started cleaning yet Jamie? Dont mean to be funny but you ask alot of basic questions! lol  ;D

I usually determine how long it'll take me and price accordingly. 90% of domestic priced over the phone. In an ideal world i'd quote in person but simply dont have the time.

Jamie Lindsay

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 10:49:38 pm »
a basic question which got 2 different answers

the only prob I have with sqm pricing is that when you say "can you give me a rough size of the room" the usually have no clue


Steve Chapman

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 11:06:02 pm »
Carpet Dawg,

You are able to determine how long it will take you without seeing the job ?

That must take a lot of skill  ;D

Steve

Carpet Dawg

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2012, 11:23:11 pm »
Another way of putting it is by room then!  Doctor Smartass! ;D again each room is different and so will take a differnt time to clean. A rough price is given (after a few questions have been asked) over the phone and then confirmed once i am there.

Commercial work is quoted in person.

clarkson

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2012, 08:33:06 am »
Have you started cleaning yet Jamie? Dont mean to be funny but you ask alot of basic questions! lol  ;D

I usually determine how long it'll take me and price accordingly. 90% of domestic priced over the phone. In an ideal world i'd quote in person but simply dont have the time.


hi carpet dawg
 i have been trying to visit customers as ncca suggest do the measure up and ph/burn test. it does work as a sales tactic etc.

however you are right  it takes bl**dy ages, especially if they are far flung.

 it can take all afternoon/or evening to call on 3/4 custies and with no promise of work at the end.  so had to go back to quoting over phone. which often leaves you quoting room rates as jamie says they dont know the square meter of there own house.

john

Steve Chapman

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2012, 09:16:08 am »
When I first started cc many years ago i used to price by the room and quote over the phone, but then tried pricing by actually visiting and by sq ft, I was amazed how much difference this made to my average job ticket.

When you think about it,looking at say 10 x 10 room and a 12 x 12 room you may in your mind think that will take the same amount of time, and sometimes it will, but working out per sq ft or sq mtr means you could have an extra £10 - £20 depending on what you charge.

Thats money your robbing yourself of every job,  times that by a few jobs a week that will make a massive difference to your income.

I now always quote on site unless its a regular customer and if you talk them through the room sizes it makes them realize the size of the job as well. Plus you can see the state of the carpet, access issues, furniture etc and whether they are a bit weird or not  ;)

If you dont get most of the jobs you go and quote for then something is wrong with either your pricing or approach to the customer.

I would never go back to quoting just by the room / over the phone as really its only guess work and doesnt look very professional either.


Regards
Steve



Hyden

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2012, 09:29:53 am »
Depending on the client and nature of the project, a cleaning job can be an involved endeavor or something as simple as doing windows and vacuuming floors. Pricing a cleaning gig involves more than a consideration of the time spent doing the job; you must also account for materials, additional employees and the going rate for this kind of work in your area.

Jim_77

Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2012, 04:31:02 pm »
Steve, totally agree with you, baffles me how some folks walk in to a job and pluck a figure out of the air!  Doesn't look very good to the customer either, the measuring up is pantomime if nothing else.  I even get them to put their foot on it when they offer (even though it's unnecessary and a pain in the @rse!) and I'll announce each measurement as I take it!

I think more times than not when trying to work out the area of a bigger job, people will under-estimate rather than over-estimate, so it's not like it balances out in the long run.

John you need to persevere with those quotes mate.  It's a hell of a lot easier to sell to people face to face, by being there and inspecting, measuring up... a phone conversation is just a price, no good.

You have to work on your sales procedure when in home, and also remember you can suggest protector or additional rooms in a subtle way which can turn a £100 job into a £150 job.  That's your week's diesel paid for, just for getting off your backside and being bothered to put the effort in :)

You don't have to be a slick salesman type, in fact I can't stand that sort of rubbish, I'm just really friendly helpful and honest, and subtly put the idea of extras in their minds rather than a full-frontal sledgehammer approach to upping the job ticket.  [If you make people like you first and foremost, selling to them is easy.  Work on that ;)

But here's the thing.... you have to get good at deciding which phone enquiries are worth the home quote and which are going to be time-wasters and just get a price then "I'll get back to you".

If you filter your enquiries this way you'll find you end up converting 90% of home quote visits, because you've already filtered out the ones you don't want.

Sometimes I am surprised and a very quick "price" conversation results in a booking... also the other way round, a job I felt sure to get from a home quote didn't materialise for whatever reason.

That's business unfortunately :)

Carpet Dawg

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2012, 06:25:38 pm »
The oracle has spoken!!  ;D

Ack well! I've been doing it wrong all these years then!  :'(  :'(

Carpet Dawg

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2012, 07:04:45 pm »
Have you started cleaning yet Jamie? Dont mean to be funny but you ask alot of basic questions! lol  ;D

I usually determine how long it'll take me and price accordingly. 90% of domestic priced over the phone. In an ideal world i'd quote in person but simply dont have the time.


hi carpet dawg
 i have been trying to visit customers as ncca suggest do the measure up and ph/burn test. it does work as a sales tactic etc.

however you are right  it takes bl**dy ages, especially if they are far flung.

 it can take all afternoon/or evening to call on 3/4 custies and with no promise of work at the end.  so had to go back to quoting over phone. which often leaves you quoting room rates as jamie says they dont know the square meter of there own house.

john

How your ment to quote every job in person i have no idea! The mind boggles!

Between monday, tuesday and today i've booked 23 jobs in, and when do I have time to do the quoting when workign full days?  :o

But I will say one thing, if your new and dont yet get them many enquires or do that many jobs, then it might be a an idea to go to peoples homes and quote. It'll be a learning experenace if nothing else.


peter maybury

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2012, 09:19:50 pm »
Jim
how do you manage to find the time to visit customers to quote during the pantomime season?

Peter

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2012, 09:45:07 pm »
I'd like to go and see all enquiries but that isn't realistic so I go and see a few may be 15-20%, many old customers just book in but the rest are over the phone you just have to be confident at selling at your price.

In my area I'm not the cheapest it's a matter of adjusting the talk to the customer many cleaners in my area charge approx 20p per sq ft, I charge 40p, Chemdry dependant on which one charge a lot more on clean only.

Shaun

clinton

Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2012, 01:26:18 pm »
Couldnt go and view every quote mind but if i think its worth good money i will go and qoute in person..


Mr Clean and Tidy

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Re: domestic quoting
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2012, 05:38:34 pm »
I visit about 5% at most to quote for a job and probably get 50% of those there and then. I always measure up and give an exact price according to the measurement and i work in sq yds.

The rest are over the phone or i just go and do the job. In many cases  i work on recommendations from existing customers a considerable amount are repeat customers like to day the business i was at has been a customer since February 1991.

But then i have been doing it longer than most of you guys.

Just go out and do it and charge a price that is fair to the customer and one where you can make a profit.
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