[Dean Taberner]

Hi guys,

We don't really do that much domestics but these guys have just set up near to us.

The guy who is running it is on the sick.

It amazes me it really does.

No insurance, no tax, no nothing

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[GDwindowcleaning]

Hi Dean,

Read Duncan Bannatynes book, he tells you how he dealt with it when he had the ice cream vans. Dont let them get away with it....

[Dean Taberner]

Hi George,

What did he do mate?

Its annoying as they're portraying themselves as a professional business when they aren't.

I can't believe that they've even got the nerve.

[Window Washers]

I think he kicked thiers asses Dean, is a great read, although Peter Jones Tycoon I better 

personally I would worry about your business and forget about this chancer.
focusing on him is not going to make you any money is it ?

[GDwindowcleaning]

It depends if they are affecting his business, if you want to dominate an area these chancers will be taking legitimate work...

He used all methods, including the police...

[Dean Taberner]

The problem is that we are trying to build our domestic round up in our local area and these guys are in everybodies faces with leaflets and are putting a bit of a spanner into the works.

I know 100% that they aren't legit as I know the guy personally.

[GDwindowcleaning]

It depends how far you are willing to go, there will be people on here that say dont report him but I know what I would do....

[Paul Coleman]

The problem is that we are trying to build our domestic round up in our local area and these guys are in everybodies faces with leaflets and are putting a bit of a spanner into the works.

I know 100% that they aren't legit as I know the guy personally.

Tread carefully.  Just because someone is on the sick, it doesn't necessarily follow that he's working illegally.  Someone can work and legitimately claim a low level DLA.  Re tax.  He has 3 months to register after starting up and won't have a tax liability until profits exceed a certain amount (£6k - £7k?).  As for insurance, public liability insurance isn't a legal requirement.
So I'm just saying to tread carefully.  If you are going to put the mockers on him, it might be better to hold off until he's been trading for 3+ months - by which time he is supposed to have registered the business.  At the moment, he may not be doing anything illegal.  Of course this does depend on the details of his sick claim.
Knowing him personally doesn't count as proof to the authorities of course.  What you know and what can be proven may be totally different.
I don't normally trouble myself about stuff like this unless someone undercuts my work by fiddling.  However, it is fair to say that too much of this can push the rates down generally.

[Dean Taberner]

Hi Paul,

I know what you're saying mate,

It is dodgy ground.

[H S and Son]

You can be on the sick (incapacity benefit) and work at the same time. Depends on many criteria. Don't assume the worse.

[Dean Taberner]

Matt,

He was on the sick from another job receiving full sick money and has started up this business.

I know the person who owns the company that he works for very well.

He's been on the sick for 4 months so far this year and has started up this little venture with his brother in law.

All is fair in love and war I know that but when I look at my expences and then look at theirs then it is annoying.

Especially when they portray themselves as a professional outfit.

[magic moments]

As said nothing illegal about it yet,and you can work another job whilst on sick ,depending on different factors ,3 months to register so you can't don anyone in for anything yet.

[Dick]

Maybe everythings registered in his brother in laws name?

[Dean Taberner]

Good call Dick.

Its highly unlikely though.

If you knew them you would agree.

[Rogue Trader]

I dont know why you are letting it bother you so much , my advice to you is just dont get involved wheteher he is doing it legitimately or not is down to him and his look out , to you it should be nothing more than a competiitor , just treat them like any other competitior and leave it at that and dont waste your energy or time worrying about them and instead use that time and energy and put it to good use building your business and marketing strategy.

[Window Washers]

on maybe hes on a back to work grant, a guy that gets water from me gets this for 3 months, then another three months after that, so maybe hes working his nuts off for this reason.

[red star]

just concentrate on your own business mate
as long as your getting the rates you want and are still pulling in work who gives a f--k what the competitions doing

[Dean Taberner]

We lost a 20quid job a couple of months ago and this fella has been seen painting a wall at this job this morning.

Hence the post.

[magic moments]

So many out of work ,the country is shot to poope can't blame people for getti.g out there and earning ,

[Halfadaylee]

Hey Dean,
There are only so many calls this outfit can do. Their reputation and standard or work will determine how big they get, but I doubt they are any threat to you.
We all lose a few now and again and would say your commercial work will have put other cleaners out.
Art