[www.com]

Yeah, it's four sections.

[Tom White]

Are you going to get one?  It would be good to hear a report from someone whose used both Gardiner poles and the nLite.

[www.com]

I doubt it! Hahaha

Window washers would be best reviewing both, he seems pretty balanced view point wise.

[Window Washers]

I doubt it! Hahaha

Window washers would be best reviewing both, he seems pretty balanced view point wise.

I wonder if they will send me one out, I have an slx so would be great good to test them side by side

[[GQC] Tim]

Yeah, actual length, top to tail and it is more rigid than an slx an extreme

More rigid then an Xtreme even though specs say otherwise? I'd love to see that.
I like Unger for striving forward, but I don't like suppliers/manufacturers coming on a public forum saying their products are better without factual information. Bit obvious to see what's happening here.

Like Tosh pointed out, I bet that 22' is not actual pole length. There would be no way Unger would say that unless it's 22' reach, rather then an actual 22' pole. I'd like to be wrong though, picture with tape measure would suffice.

As far as I can see the actual extension sections aren't telescopic either? So, Unger is back to a modular design over 22'? If so, what's the use in that? Even for domestics I would need to carry an extension section with me. For that reason I'd be most definitely out. Also for that reason I wouldn't want to start comparing true telescopic poles to these poles.

[dazmond]

ive got absolutely nothing against unger at all but as ive been using gardiners poles and brushes for over a year now why would i go anywhere else?

alex s customer service is second to none,most of his products are good quality and reasonably priced and they are very light making my day easier due to less strain.

its seems to me unger have over engineered it.its a pole for god sake!!

im not saying they wont be good poles and brushes but i bet they come in at a much higher price tag,probably on par with ionic poles.oh and did i mention their brushes and poles combined will be heavier than an equivalent gardiners pole and brush?

weight IS EVERYTHING when using poles and brushes so thats why alex will be getting my hard earned money for future equipment.

also companies that state ACTUAL LENGTH poles are held in much higher esteem in my book!!

[[GQC] Tim]

Hahahaha. This is exactly the type of post that is ruining this fourm. I am here to put  some balance into the world.   No offence Tim, and I mean that sincerly but lets break down what you've said.

How can I ruin a forum by stating the obvious? If I was ruining the forum I'd be banned. Every large forum has got shills, there have been many on here before, and usually it's quite easy to recognize what's happening.

What specs are you on about? There are actual measurement on the Unger site to show how ridgid the poles are which can be applied to any pole. I've read somewhere that the top section is wider than pretty much all other poles that will also make it more ridgid. This is actual phyics.

Your statement was that the SLX and Xtreme was less rigid, not a "oh I read this and that so I concluded that it was better then SL-X and Xtreme" I was merely asking what facts you based your original statement on and back it up. From what I see an Xtreme is the far better pole.

Who says anyone on here works for Unger or anyone else for that matter? This is something Mr Gardiner does all the time! But I guess it's ok for him.

I say so, nothing new though. As for Alex Gardiner, he offers supports on his products on here, which is highly welcomed. He does not promote his own products or gives other suppliers or their products a bad rep. That's against forum rules to begin with. He also doesn't hide his real identity behind forum aliases, like some on here.

This is again completely unfounded thing to say. It's 4 sections at 22ft, which means each section will be around 5.7ft ish?? Have a look at the pics on karls site.
http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/unger-hiflo-nlite-water-fed-pole.html

Not at all unfounded. I can name a lot of suppliers who now and in the past quote exactly the reach and not of the actual pole. Most suppliers have been guilty of this. So tell me how that is unfounded? In my opinion it's misleading customers. Ungers statement is very specific, and is used frequently by said suppliers. 4 sections at 22ft doesn't actually mean with most suppliers it's actual 22ft pole length. Nowhere does it mention it actually has a actual 22" pole length. Where does it say otherwise? I''ll read it again in a minute, but pretty sure the words actual pole length were not mentioned.

Yes they are telescopic, it clearly says so in the write up. 11ft extra (2 x 5.5ft)??

Actually, they throw the word modular around a lot, even on the Robinsons blogspot promo. Most people when they use the word modular refer to SL2 or fishing pole modular sections, as opposed to telescopic. Easy to understand it that way. It was a normal question.

Actually, this is a very good point. With the pole being 22ft your only going to get around 25ft realistic working length, adding extentions on domestic work would be a real pain. If fact I would say it would rule out a lot of people buying it for that reason. I don't think they thought of that! Good spot!

Sarcasm, but okay. Adding modular extension sections would be a pain. There is no problem with telescopic sections as it's common practice.

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

From what I can see from looking at the pictures and comparing the poles and brushes, it does look like the length is 22ft actual length, if that is the case then it is refreshing that at least another supplier is being honest with their stated pole lengths. 

However it is a shame that the poles are so heavy, it seems that they have decided to start with larger diameter pole sections, this will of course add more weight to the top of the pole which means that the pole needs to be strengthened by adding even more material to increase rigidity.

They also seem to go on quite a bit about Length Deflection Ratio / RIGIDITY CALCULATION which is a test that they invented themselves to show how rigid their poles are.  The test is made by using a 5 kilo weight in the middle of an extended pole and then applying a calculation.  As we know when a company designs its own test then it will normally show their products in a better light.  I think the best test of rigidity is to extend the poles and compare them at an acute angle.

It does look like a lot of time has gone into the design, it's just a real shame that they are ridiculously heavy compared to the competition, and I don't just mean Gardiners.  I also think that 22ft is too short to start adding modular section, it would be a real pain to work with.

Simon.

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

Just another observation as well, in the robinson's post it states this.
All Poles, regardless of the grade, are compatible with each other. For instance, combining a Carbon Master Pole with a Hybrid Extension Pole will deliver a great performance at a lower cost than an all-Carbon System, with only a slight increase in weight and deflection.

I can understand this with glass fibre and carbon fibre, but I don't understand how this works with himodulas carbon fibre.  HiModulas cf is not only stronger but also heavier than regular cf when the same amount of material is used, the idea is that you use less material to make a stronger lighter product.  So if the poles are interchangeable they must have somehow shaved off some material to make the himod cf poles lighter yet they are still supposed work with the other products. What wizardry did they use to do this?

Simon.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Well, after all that, it seems Mr. Industry still has some drying to do behind those ears of his!!

[david moss]

So who is going to be first to buy one of these Unger poles so we can see what they are like

[dd]

Mr Industry the extension sections are not telescopic as they all have a 35mm diameter.

If the pole is actually 22ft it should be described as such - not as being able to reach 22ft - to me that means it is likely around 18ft in length.

It maybe a perfectly decent pole but it does not appeal to me.

[Perfect Windows]

You no what I'm here looking at a 500 psi carpet cleaner, however as a person with a cleaning business that does window cleaning too, I've been looking forward to seeing this new pole, I own a few different poles, however I'm giving an honest opinion of what I've seen.

Your all so defensive, suspicious , and easy to wind up, honestly go canvassing get some work.

Can't imagine why we're suspicious - as I posted elsewhere, here are a few of your quotes:



You've been on the forum for about six weeks.  You're very keen to leap to Unger's defence.

You've also posted "a lot happening in the next two months I've heard." (ref poles and brushes) and

"I think once I get the new unger legend pole, that'll help, as it will look so good" and ref Unger

"cant wait to see that new reasonable priced super carbon pole" also

"they will make sure they no ALL their competitors poles, and better them on cost and quality"  Plus

"I'm off to Amsterdam to see the unger, looks superb, leave the extel standing...".  Oh, and

"it will be quite interesting seeing the new equipment, will shake up the complaisant suppliers in the uk!"



Amazing how you were shouting off about how marvellous the new poles would be yet now you claim you're "giving an honest opinion of what [you've] seen"!

Either you're a shill or you've already made your mind up very firmly.  Either way, your opinion cannot really be classed as objective.

Vin

[Perfect Windows]

All 22ft.

Hybrid Master - 1,700g
Carbon Master - 1,600g
HiMod Carbon - 1,500g

For comparison, from Gardiners, all 22ft

CLX - 1,350g
SLX - 1,150g
Extreme - 1,020g

[Perfect Windows]

Gary nee, any prices yet?  

You must know what prices your company is charging they are charging since you're on their stand you've visited them at the show.

Vin

[david moss]

I would also like to know the price, I bet they are dearer than the poles that Alex sells

[Perfect Windows]

I would also like to know the price, I bet they are dearer than the poles that Alex sells

Even if not, the lightest of the three 22 footers (is that pole or reach?) is heavier than Gardiners' heaviest 22 footer.

I know that weight isn't everything but I'll also say that it's VERY important.  Not getting even near the right weight on a new, much-hyped pole from a well-funded company is pretty daft.

Vin

[david moss]

For me the most important thing is stiffness, it is so much easier to use a stiff pole

[Nick Wareham]

As I said before, and has been proved right again:

Unger and WFP

LOL

That is all.

[[GQC] Tim]

As I said before, and has been proved right again:

Unger and WFP

LOL

That is all.

This is a massive step (for Unger) in the right direction. Certainly not perfect, but it's a vast improvement over the original modular pole and after that the X-tels.