[Perfect Windows]

i think you got an amazing setup vin,

so that thing tracks where they are at all times when you connect it to the pc?
or can you see it while they are walking?

i havnt tried looking for self employed leafletters but i can imagine it cant be that easy
and you are even getting invoiced by them at £6 an hour sounds like you got yourself a couple of hard working decent guys ,

It tracks them and stores the data inside itself.  When they attach it to their PC to charge it they download the tracking file and send it to me with their invoice for hours worked.  I check a sample of their tracks against invoices and know that I'm not being ripped.

They both love the work. One's a drummer who loves that he can just decide to go out and earn £24 for a walk and the other's a mum who said she was bored witless at home and now loves going out to walk.

My Gumtree ad got so many replies that I had to take it off after two days as I was being flooded with emails.  And that's in a city with very low unemployment.

Vin

[Perfect Windows]

also m8t dropping over 20k in leaflets dont you find it hard to cover areas?
for example say you wanted to hit a certain pstcode with over 100 streets how do they stay on top of that?

I gave them both a city A-Z and they just keep track with a marker pen of the streets they have done.  I give them an area to do and they work it through at whatever pace suits them then call me for the next area.  I love the steady drip of work that this brings in.

Employing your own also means you can describe the types of places you want done, so for my business they don't do blocks of flats or long rows of terraces.  Means my leaflets go where I want them to.

Now if I wanted to do more, I send them out with a local directory thingy that gets delivered every month - I can do up to 34,000 at a pop that way but I don't like the flood of work that hits; however once I have a franchisee on I'll be doing it.

I'm trying to get a friend of the wife's to set up leafletting in the way I do it; there'd be such demand for honesty in eaflet delivery services.  I really have researched and I've found some real scammers out there.  I like my way but there is some hassle attached.

Vin

[Crystal-clear]

and that file they download and email to you cant be doctored?

[Crystal-clear]

are you able to take a picture using print screen and post it up here so we can see what it looks like?

[bobby p]

spoke to a leafletter tother week, hes paid direct by a leafletting firm 50 quid for each shift of 1000 leaflets,says starts 0730 finishes about 2 - 3.30

the part i dont believe is that he delivers the full 1000 each day . nobody could do that  amount day in day out ,so the firm or him must be binning them

[richard jagger]

maplan sold out try this for tracker.
e bay
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GPS-Tracker-Tracking-Data-Logger-Bluetooth-/320833721594?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_GPSSystems_GPSSystems&hash=item4ab32e14fa#ht_1043wt_1037:

[Carl@Cwc]

IS THERE ANY SOFTWARE/WEBSITE FOR SEEING HOW MANY HOUSES PER STREET 

NOT BEING LAZY HERE JUST SEEING IF YOU PREPARE FULLY ?

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Bob what if he is also delivering another 2 leaflets as well, thats £150 a day for 1000 homes delivered too!! rain or shine!!!! 1000 a day is easy believe me i know!!!!!

[Perfect Windows]

are you able to take a picture using print screen and post it up here so we can see what it looks like?

Work PC switched off - will try to remember to do it tomorrow.

Vin

[Crystal-clear]

are you able to take a picture using print screen and post it up here so we can see what it looks like?

Work PC switched off - will try to remember to do it tomorrow.

Vin

cheers ,infact i just spoke to a self employed leafletter the other day he said he wants £30 per thousand and will do 1.5k a day so thats £45 ill mention this gps thing to be sent with the invoice. looking forward to see that picture!

[richywilts]

My business is built entirely on leaflets.  If I drop 225 I get a customer (not a call).  Mine contain a price, so almost every call is a customer, as they have already got over that hurdle.  So, for me to get 100 customers costs 22,500 leaflets.

Ref delivery, I was sick of lying delivery companies (to hear more drop me an email), so I placed an ad on Gumtree for self-employed leafletters at £6 an hour.  I got hundreds of responses and chose the two who had the gumption to look up my phone number and call.  They carry a tracker so I know (1) the hours they have been out and (2) the streets they did (you can actually see their tracks up and down garden paths on Google Earth so you know they aren't just going for a stroll).  They drift about doing the hours that suit them but if I wanted more customers I'd just up the pressure a bit and get a handful going.  I'm pretty stuffed full at the mo so I don't need them going at it full-tilt.

They deliver around 120 an hour, so 5p each.  My leaflets are just under 3p, so 8p x 225 = £18.00 for a self-qualified customer.  I think that's an absolute bargain.  £18 each for your 100 customers will be £1,800.  You simply can't avoid the mathematical truth in there, I'm afraid.

As for waiting for the phone to ring, I get about 25% within a week, 25% second week, 25% third week and then the rest over the next year or so.  (The exact numbers are a handful of % different but near enough).

So, 20,000 leaflets will be whatever you pay plus £1,000 delivery and at my rate of response would get you 89 customers.

Hope that helps,

Vin

fair play some ones done theres maths nice figures mate ive just ordered 30,000 and want these going out over next 8 weeks then another 30,000

[Roy Cauldery]

Good posts from Vin-well informed on his business activity
I combine the two, if I'm out knocking I always take a wad of leaflets for the'not ins' or even if they got a cleaner, still leave them a leaflet coz you never know( picked up a £25 job recently coz their regular guy missed a bay and couldn't be arsed to call back and do it)
If I'm honest -I prefer canvassing but it may be the way I do it. I absolutely qualify every potential customer so they know exactly what's involved and so my drop out rate is very low
It's horses for courses but would like an update from Lee please?

[Perfect Windows]

are you able to take a picture using print screen and post it up here so we can see what it looks like?

Work PC switched off - will try to remember to do it tomorrow.

Vin

cheers ,infact i just spoke to a self employed leafletter the other day he said he wants £30 per thousand and will do 1.5k a day so thats £45 ill mention this gps thing to be sent with the invoice. looking forward to see that picture!

Be VERY wary of someone claiming to do 1.5k a day.  Week in, week out, my guys average 120 an hour over all types of properties.  1,500 a day would be over 12 hours' work and sounds a little suspicious.

Vin (Still on wrong PC)

[Crystal-clear]

are you able to take a picture using print screen and post it up here so we can see what it looks like?

Work PC switched off - will try to remember to do it tomorrow.

Vin

cheers ,infact i just spoke to a self employed leafletter the other day he said he wants £30 per thousand and will do 1.5k a day so thats £45 ill mention this gps thing to be sent with the invoice. looking forward to see that picture!

Be VERY wary of someone claiming to do 1.5k a day.  Week in, week out, my guys average 120 an hour over all types of properties.  1,500 a day would be over 12 hours' work and sounds a little suspicious.

Vin (Still on wrong PC)

fair comment what i might do is watch him for the first 3 hours and he wont know i am.,

[Perfect Windows]

It's here:

http://img862.image%shack.us/img862/7316/trackeroutput.jpg (take out the % between the words image and shack- for reasons I can't understand, this forum censors the site's name)

Vin

[bobby p]

are you able to take a picture using print screen and post it up here so we can see what it looks like?

Work PC switched off - will try to remember to do it tomorrow.

Vin

cheers ,infact i just spoke to a self employed leafletter the other day he said he wants £30 per thousand and will do 1.5k a day so thats £45 ill mention this gps thing to be sent with the invoice. looking forward to see that picture!

Be VERY wary of someone claiming to do 1.5k a day.  Week in, week out, my guys average 120 an hour over all types of properties.  1,500 a day would be over 12 hours' work and sounds a little suspicious.

Vin (Still on wrong PC)

fair comment what i might do is watch him for the first 3 hours and he wont know i am.,

dont watch the first 3 hours, better the last couple !

[Crystal-clear]

It's here:

http://img862.image%shack.us/img862/7316/trackeroutput.jpg (take out the % between the words image and shack- for reasons I can't understand, this forum censors the site's name)

Vin

thats amazing so u have some software that you got with it where u can zoom in and see in even better detail?

are the different colours different days?

[Scoop]

First comment - Perfect Windows - Perfect comment. Well done. if you can turn your art into a science then you're on the road to happiness and success (and maybe already arrived  )

Secondly, leafleting. Speaking as someone who's had his hand bitten by a few dogs (from sticking it through the letterbox) I'm surprised that the house type hasn't been mentioned.

100 Leaflets on a terraced street takes 30 mins. 100 on Millionaires Row could take 4 hours.

[andrew hamshare]

It's here:

http://img862.image%shack.us/img862/7316/trackeroutput.jpg (take out the % between the words image and shack- for reasons I can't understand, this forum censors the site's name)

Vin

Vin, they missed my old man at the end of Barnsland!!  sack 'em.

 

[BVC]

My business is built entirely on leaflets.  If I drop 225 I get a customer (not a call).  Mine contain a price, so almost every call is a customer, as they have already got over that hurdle.  So, for me to get 100 customers costs 22,500 leaflets.

Ref delivery, I was sick of lying delivery companies (to hear more drop me an email), so I placed an ad on Gumtree for self-employed leafletters at £6 an hour.  I got hundreds of responses and chose the two who had the gumption to look up my phone number and call.  They carry a tracker so I know (1) the hours they have been out and (2) the streets they did (you can actually see their tracks up and down garden paths on Google Earth so you know they aren't just going for a stroll).  They drift about doing the hours that suit them but if I wanted more customers I'd just up the pressure a bit and get a handful going.  I'm pretty stuffed full at the mo so I don't need them going at it full-tilt.

They deliver around 120 an hour, so 5p each.  My leaflets are just under 3p, so 8p x 225 = £18.00 for a self-qualified customer.  I think that's an absolute bargain.  £18 each for your 100 customers will be £1,800.  You simply can't avoid the mathematical truth in there, I'm afraid.

As for waiting for the phone to ring, I get about 25% within a week, 25% second week, 25% third week and then the rest over the next year or so.  (The exact numbers are a handful of % different but near enough).

So, 20,000 leaflets will be whatever you pay plus £1,000 delivery and at my rate of response would get you 89 customers.

Hope that helps,

Vin

absolute quality post m8

How bad were the companies mate? the issue of trust is a tough one for me but till now have just had to factor in 10-20% getting lost in transit. I have a minimum % rate and have always got that till recently. Just pulled the trigger on 100k with a company we have used for a few years but the rate has dropped considerably since the last run. Dropped 250k last year and done ok. First 50k this year is disgraceful. Trying to figure out if its the climate or if im gonna go the tracker route. Tracker route still works out more expensive imo but you know exactly what you are paying for so you can take the hit if you so wish.

how did you "prove" you were getting mugged off. Gonna be dumping 250 this summer so would be interested in your experience.

Regards

BVC.