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Poll

which pump controller do you prefer

Digital
58.6%
17 (58.6%)
Manual
41.4%
12 (41.4%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Window Washers

  • Posts: 9036
digital v's manual
« on: March 30, 2012, 03:09:09 pm »
just wondering which you prefer a digital pump controller and a manual one.

would be interested in opinons from people that have had or use both and to why you think your choice is better for you.

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Dave Willis

Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2012, 03:57:02 pm »
manual for me, quicker and easier to set.

Smudger

  • Posts: 13459
Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 04:17:05 pm »
i liked my old varistream never went wrong but have to say the pure freedom digital ones have been superb
so far and also control the filling of the tank

Darran
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Tomboler

  • Posts: 345
Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2012, 04:18:09 pm »
digital here, started with manual. Ordered a replacement when that stopped, without specifying which one, and pure freedom sent digital - no probs with it so far - (he says looking for wood to touch!)

Gary nee

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Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2012, 06:59:40 pm »
A manaul with no calibration would be good.

Window Washers

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Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 09:51:34 pm »
I started with manual then went digital, thinking may go back to manual again, or one of each  :-\
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Dave Willis

Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 10:32:33 pm »
Not much in it to be honest. However if you start playing around with hot water and your hoses start expanding then the manual version is easier to turn the pressure down in a hurry. If you have no pressure worries then a digital is fine and possibly cheaper if you shop around.

Window Washers

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Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 11:43:11 pm »
What do you mean ?
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Dave Willis

Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2012, 07:28:38 am »
Ok. with cold water how often do you callibrate the pressure ie. alter the pressure setting? Hardly ever I bet - maybe alter the flow now and again possibly tweak the pressure in the winter.
Now, when you start swapping between hot water and cold water then you have to start chasing the pressure setting to match the temperature because your hose will start to soften and swell with the heat - your dead end pressure becomes too high.
If you have a modern digital controller then when in dead end it will flash for a while then add more pressure as the hose expands. When its in dead end mode it's a right pain to hold down two buttons, wait for the display to settle and alter the callibration, switch off and restart.
With a manual you simply tweak the dial when required.

The original Varistreams were crap because you had to dismantle the unit to alter the pressure. Fine if you never needed to.
I have the new one that Gardiners sell from Spring Controllers. It's pretty good but to turn it off you need to turn the flow dial down to zero every time and back up to turn it on which in my opinion is not a great idea.
The Spring controller also keeps the pumps pressure switch too so that the pump can cut the pressure as well as the controller.
The guy who makes them is often on here and can explain the reason far better than me.


http://www.springltd.co/node/67

best

  • Posts: 104
Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2012, 07:55:17 am »
started with manual. never let me down (5years)

Ian Sheppard

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Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2012, 04:13:30 pm »
Ok. with cold water how often do you callibrate the pressure ie. alter the pressure setting? Hardly ever I bet - maybe alter the flow now and again possibly tweak the pressure in the winter.
Now, when you start swapping between hot water and cold water then you have to start chasing the pressure setting to match the temperature because your hose will start to soften and swell with the heat - your dead end pressure becomes too high.
If you have a modern digital controller then when in dead end it will flash for a while then add more pressure as the hose expands. When its in dead end mode it's a right pain to hold down two buttons, wait for the display to settle and alter the callibration, switch off and restart.
With a manual you simply tweak the dial when required.

The original Varistreams were crap because you had to dismantle the unit to alter the pressure. Fine if you never needed to.
I have the new one that Gardiners sell from Spring Controllers. It's pretty good but to turn it off you need to turn the flow dial down to zero every time and back up to turn it on which in my opinion is not a great idea.
The Spring controller also keeps the pumps pressure switch too so that the pump can cut the pressure as well as the controller.
The guy who makes them is often on here and can explain the reason far better than me.


http://www.springltd.co/node/67

Mark you are spot on with the calibration and DE detection will; need adjusting if you switch between hot and cold water.
The reason as you say is down to the expansion rates of the hose warm water softens the hose wall and as a result the hose will expand more than than if cold water is being used.

The change in the expansion rate of the hose will impact on how much pressure is required to get the water flowing and in turn will affect the DE detection. The answer as you say is to recalibrate the controller.

The New analogue you are using has a new micro DE retest which will also feature in the upgraded digital controller. The new micro test effectively limits how much pressure can build up in the system. Only enough pressure to allow the DE retest to take place - in short there should not be any continual pressure increase beyond this point while in DE.

Interesting point on the calibration of the analogue The quick guide suggests that calibration be done by turning the control full up (to the right) then back to the left until the water stops, finally turn right slightly.

That said the calibration would also work starting from zero and turn up (to the right)

The may be a delay with flow stopping as the control is turned down to zero, depending on your preferred calibration and pressure settings

The reason for this, is because it will take the pump a couple seconds to build the extra pressure for the control to detect.

Generally how long do you feel it takes to DE when you turn the control to zero? and what is the approx calibration setting you use? Lastly what size pump are you using?

Thanks for the feedback Mark

Ian
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Dave Willis

Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2012, 05:22:50 pm »
Hi Ian, I have a 5l per minute 100psi shurflow pump with 100m of microbore. My settings are generally 7.5 on the flow setting and 7.5 on the callibration setting. This seems to bring the pressure light on most of the time (blue light) but if left for a long period then the de light comes on (red) which I guess is the pumps pressure switch coming in.

The other day I changed poles from a 25' to around 40' and thought I would tweak both settings a little to give me plenty of water. Strange thing is the opposite happened, I got less water and hardly any flow. I'm guessing I was asking too much of the pump and it couldn't keep up and so cut out or reached pressure setting. Anyway, I backed them both off and have had no more problems.
Also I rarely turn the dial to zero as I cut the power with a rocker switch as I'm running a live from the van battery at the moment.

Window Washers

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Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2012, 08:22:00 pm »
what happens if you just leave it flashing de ?
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Dave Willis

Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2012, 08:24:39 pm »
Nothing, the pressure switch stops anything happening, no more pressure is added until the valve is opened and the switch disengages and off you go again.

Tomboler

  • Posts: 345
Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2012, 10:49:09 am »
what happens if you just leave it flashing de ?
Initially when 'de' shows/ tap switched off the pump still nudges for a while until P5 (Pressure switch) kicks in. When first started using digital I rang em @ pure freedom as I thought there was a prob with pump not completely stopping when tap closed.

Ian Sheppard

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Re: digital v's manual
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2012, 12:39:21 pm »
Hi Ian, I have a 5l per minute 100psi shurflow pump with 100m of microbore. My settings are generally 7.5 on the flow setting and 7.5 on the callibration setting. This seems to bring the pressure light on most of the time (blue light) but if left for a long period then the de light comes on (red) which I guess is the pumps pressure switch coming in.

The other day I changed poles from a 25' to around 40' and thought I would tweak both settings a little to give me plenty of water. Strange thing is the opposite happened, I got less water and hardly any flow. I'm guessing I was asking too much of the pump and it couldn't keep up and so cut out or reached pressure setting. Anyway, I backed them both off and have had no more problems.
Also I rarely turn the dial to zero as I cut the power with a rocker switch as I'm running a live from the van battery at the moment.

Hi Mark

to be honest these settings seem about right certainly with in the range we would expect to see. The control will dead end well before your pump pressure switch cuts in.

The control detects DE by measuring the increased current draw on the pump. once the water initially stops the pump will continue to try push water for a second or two the pump pushing against a restriction causes a higher current draw.
the control see this and stops the pump.

As a general rule the higher the calibration setting the longer the control will take to detect DE and this will mean there is some flow for a few seconds after you stop the water flow.

With the longer pole the pole itself will help increase the pressure in your system so it may be that to get a good flow the pump needs to run a little slower.

With the pressure switch warning - the control works in a similar way to the digital in this case the control monitors the pump pressure switch and the light is simply saying the pressure switch has activated and that something in the system has caused it maybe some restriction in the system or grit in the jets

It is good to see that reducing the settings slightly improves the flow and is in line with what we would expect when switching between poles.

Thank you for the feed back and please keep it coming
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