[Shaun_Ashmore]

Now being sold on eBay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lamb-Ametek-6-6-Vacuum-Motor-230-volt-Model-122236-18-/280851930954?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item4164145f4a#ht_725wt_922

Before everyone rushes to get them for their puzzi 100 as mentioned by John Martin you need to do some do some modifications first like the tank integrity etc

Shaun

[Mike Halliday]

do 2 of these run off a single cord? I was thinking of buying 4 mounting them in a box then using it with my T/M tanks...... but i would still need power for a pump and my diesel heater could i get away with 2 heavy duty electric cords?

[Dennis]

From a post on CT each vac draws just over 7 amps so 2 would draw 14 which you might get away with but when you switch on the second vac the amp surge being higher would probably blow a fuse or trip a trip switch I reckon.
You probably need the pump and one vac on a cord the heater and a vac on the other.

[john martin]

 My puzzi 100 quadvac , still not finished  

 Someone here is fitting two accessory planet 6.6 to an older machine , perhaps they will post re fitting etc
 For fitting two or three in parallel you should need no tank mods , as lift will be no greater than that of one vac on its own .  
 The 6.6 , even on paper has less lift than a standard 5.7 three stage ..  131" compared to 137" .  In reality Jan Sullins has measured lift at around at around 115-120 for the 6.6 . The reason CA or solutions wont show lift figures is because id say many believe figure on the CA site ..ie  265" lift for two ... ( but that is for a series setup which doesn't relate to the Jag in any way ) also it would likely be less than the scorpion will many wouldn't be thrilled about either . 
( my opinion  ... feel free to disagree or argue the above points anyone  )

EDIT - (since typing this I notice Cross american had now amended the Jaguar lift figure on its site to 131" ) 


Yes two on the one cord should work well , four in series/parrell should make for a powerfull etm ... it draws about 7.5 amps (measured) which will decrease a bit in use ...  and a pumptec draws ony one or two amps so id stick that on too , use 2.5mm cord (20 amp )

6.6 is a little cheaper on accessory planets website ..
http://accessoryplanet.co/shop/article_4/Lamb-Ametek-6.6%22-Vacuum-Motor.html?shop_param=cid%3D7%26aid%3D4%26

The 8.4 version is a bit more powerfull and draws about one amp less ... im sure it could be sourced through europart ...  or this american online shop ships to europe
...  they are a bit expensive , but no more than some charge for a 7.2 here

http://buy.gissn.com/Vac-Motor-Tangential-142-CFM-240V-p/6vmx2.htm

[Mike Halliday]

So to be clearer... I want to take  a maximum 2 cords into the house, what vac motors will give me most bang for my buck?

I will still to run a pump and a burner

[john martin]

So to be clearer... I want to take  a maximum 2 cords into the house, what vac motors will give me most bang for my buck?

I will still to run a pump and a burner

bang for buck ...   the 6.6 is probably the best available bang for buck
( 131" lift  and 139 Cfm ) about 630 airwatts

If you dont mind importing then the electro motors 5.7  ( used in the mytee M5)
has about the same airwatts ... a bit more lift but bit less cfm .
costs about 150usd  ( called 116765-OD on this page half way down )
http://www.centralvacuummotor.com/lighthouse.htm

The 8.4 is the best ... but perhaps not worth the extra over the 6.6

So 6.6 id say ...   

[Shaun_Ashmore]

So those of us with jags or storms could fit 8.4s in with no alterations to the 2 cords providing they will physically fit in the unit?

Shaun

[john martin]

So those of us with jags or storms could fit 8.4s in with no alterations to the 2 cords providing they will physically fit in the unit?

Shaun

Yes ...        and you can be sure they have tried it ...

Why don't they use them ?
  could be issues with fitting like u say , but it should fit with minor mounting mods ..
  more likely cost related  ...  the additional cost of the 8.4 would have to be passed on to the buyer ,perhaps weakening its competitive market position . 
If they bring out an additional model (  The Jaguar XKR 8.4    )  then it might weaken 6.6 image / sales
I really dont know ...   perhaps Colin knows ? 

I cant even find an internal pic of an airflex to see what might fit ...
There is lots you could do with both ...   you could put three in there if it would fit

If you put three of the electro 5.7's mentioned above in an airflex  turbo ...that would be much more powerfull than either a twin vac  6.6 or 8.4 .

[Colin Day]

So those of us with jags or storms could fit 8.4s in with no alterations to the 2 cords providing they will physically fit in the unit?

Shaun

Yes ...       and you can be sure they have tried it ...

Why don't they use them ?
  could be issues with fitting like u say , but it should fit with minor mounting mods ..
  more likely cost related  ...  the additional cost of the 8.4 would have to be passed on to the buyer ,perhaps weakening its competitive market position .  
If they bring out an additional model (  The Jaguar XKR 8.4    )  then it might weaken 6.6 image / sales
I really dont know ...   perhaps Colin knows ?  

I cant even find an internal pic of an airflex to see what might fit ...
There is lots you could do with both ...   you could put three in there if it would fit

If you put three of the electro 5.7's mentioned above in an airflex  turbo ...that would be much more powerfull than either a twin vac  6.6 or 8.4 .

I do, but I wouldn't tell you where there was a bird's nest.....

[Neil Williams]

So to be clearer... I want to take  a maximum 2 cords into the house, what vac motors will give me most bang for my buck?

I will still to run a pump and a burner

Why are you doing this or perhaps I'm missing something?
Using the TM heater and pump whilst using domestic electric for suction?

[Ian Gourlay]

I am now totally confused  so are we now saying that machines with tipple vacs are still the best option apart from weight.

Or would it be best just to have vac boasters when required

[john martin]

I am now totally confused  so are we now saying that machines with tipple vacs are still the best option apart from weight.

Or would it be best just to have vac boasters when required

depends on the vacs used ... but generally more will more powerfull

I mentioned the triple vac because the turbo would already have three 5.7 mounting manifolds ready for a straight swap ...

If you look at airwatts as a vac power measurement ...  

A standard lamb  high power 5.7 has 450 airwatts
                                              6.6  has 630 airwatts
                                              8.4  has aprox 700 airwatts
                                   electro 5.7  has 600+ airwatts

so if you combine two or three or the above and add the airwatts (you cant just add then up , there will always be system loss but i wont count that )

then three standard vacs 450 x3 = 1350 ( eg scorpion etc )
two 6.6 =  1260  ( eg storm )
two 8.4 =  1400
three electro 5.7 = 1800  


Oh go on colin    ...  pretend its cars or something were talking about ..

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Ian you're old school like me all I want is suck at the end of a wand, 8.4 is bigger than 6.6 so should it produce more wand sticking to carpetness?

Would there be enough % difference to upgrade and would our electric take it?

I was very surprised that the manufacturers never put 3 x 6.6 vacs in their machines obviously this would have voltage mathematical headaches but there must be some play if the pump has a low voltage or that it could be down graded to 500psi and the auto pump in/out wasn't connected?

I think at the end of the day variable options could be offered to sell to the customer that's providing that things could fit and also could be done.

Shaun

[Colin Day]

Nah, I can't, I'm not allowed.....

[Shaun_Ashmore]

So John a scorpion or airflex which has 3 x 5.7" standard vacs in could be upgraded by switching to the mytee 5.7" superdooper vacs as a straight swap?

Shaun

[Neil Williams]

As a matter of interest does anyone know if it is possible to fit 3 x 6.6 in the Scorpian compared to the current 3 x 5.7
1890 air watts would be something else

[john martin]

So John a scorpion or airflex which has 3 x 5.7" standard vacs in could be upgraded by switching to the mytee 5.7" superdooper vacs as a straight swap?

Shaun

yes .. as they would come with no tube attached you could just pop them onto the turbo manifold  ...  for the scorpion would would have to buy the additional hako tube

What we can do and what they can do could be two different thinks though ..
a manufacture has to meet CE approval ( i dont know if thats only for export )
CE tests might be fussy regarding amps per cord , even though it may still be acceptable from a safety point of view .

 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I'm surprised that one of the suppliers never did this not both but one as it meant that they wouldn't be directly competing with each other although the 8.4 triple sounds the best, btw does the newer mytee have less voltage than the older ones?

Shaun

[Mike Halliday]

So to be clearer... I want to take  a maximum 2 cords into the house, what vac motors will give me most bang for my buck?

I will still to run a pump and a burner

Why are you doing this or perhaps I'm missing something?
Using the TM heater and pump whilst using domestic electric for suction?

Niel I mean to use a seperate electric pump and fuel burner not my T/m

[Neil Williams]

Niel (NEIL) I mean to use a seperate electric pump and fuel burner not my T/m

Ah I see.

Ok what's going on? Just as I'm about to venture into the petrol TM circuit people seems to be singing the praises of electric