[from edge2edge]

Morning guys just wondered if there was anything new on the market for these which has a good success rate...............Regards Alan(swindon)

[Jamie Pearson]

Starting to sound like a stuck record - Chemspec Dye Gone.

[john martin]

just looking up the Dye gone data sheet ...

10% ammonia , perhaps thats its only active constituent ?

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

I think it is ammonia mixed with hydrogen peroxide.

The spray and go is sodium met.

Cheers

Doug

[Paul Moss]

Its active ingredient is hydrogen peroxide the booster,excellorater is the ammonia.
Its very expensive for what it is though.

[Jamie Pearson]

You are right Paul those are the base products but there is more going on that just Hydrogen Peroxide in one Part of it.

We asked out industrial chemist on our estate to replicate Helpmate a few years back and they said it was too complex.

[john martin]

ah .. i see , its a two pack thing .... i didn't scroll down the data page

ammonia in one bottle 10%
H2O2 in the other  35% 

[Jamie Pearson]

thats right. it mixes in the trigger spray head.

[Mike Halliday]

You are right Paul those are the base products but there is more going on that just Hydrogen Peroxide in one Part of it.

We asked out industrial chemist on our estate to replicate Helpmate a few years back and they said it was too complex.

it can't be easily replicated because they are not designing it just to do what it say on the can, it also needs to be transported, have a long shelve life and be active at lower temperatures so it will contain stabiliser and preservatives and other additives some of these will be in such small quantities that they don't need listing.

 

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

It's worth taking this back to basics.

We either oxidise, hydrogen peroxide, sodium hypochlorite(household bleach, too strong for most apps) or reduce, sodium met, oxalic acid.

Oxidisers are accelerated by alkali, hence ammonia added and reducers acid, therefore citric acid.

If you have all the ingredients you can mix yourselves a fresh solution and apply hot.

Cheers

Doug

[james roffey]

Dye-gone looks very interesting wheres the best place to get it. i looked on the internet and the prices vary a lot.

[Craigp]

Hydramaster knock out is the same stuff but cheaper, you get one litre of each chemical in a kit so 2 litres. I think a kit is £25

You can buy a mix spray bottle seperatly and refill.

[Jamie Pearson]

Dye-gone looks very interesting wheres the best place to get it. i looked on the internet and the prices vary a lot.

Should be same everywhere. Perhaps some prices are Plus VAT and others are inclusive.

[Jim_77]

I think one place is a firm that sells systems for cleaning, and, uhmmm they are in the UK

[Paul Moss]

Jim, I think thats above you 

[Jim_77]

Obviously went over most peoples' heads!!

[Billy Russell]

Obviously went over most peoples' heads!!

No, they just thought it was a crap joke!!!

 

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Has he got a magic torch?

Shaun

PS now that should be above everyones head

[Jim_77]

Jamie! Jamie!  Jamie and the magic torch!

[Jim_77]