[Spruce]

Hi,

Do any of you use a safety belt with a Lanard secured to your ladder?

We have a couple of well set back windows on a job which can only be cleaned WFP off a ladder.

Spruce

[stuart mc]

I use one for a few jobs but never secured to the ladder, although it would be easy enough to do

[stuart mc]

if you do use this method the ladder needs secured to two eyebolts at the bottom, or all that would happen if you fell would be the ladders would spin or slip.

I have a job that used to be like this and the eye bolts are still there but now they are done wfp

[idealrob]

Hi,

Do any of you use a safety belt with a Lanard secured to your ladder?

We have a couple of well set back windows on a job which can only be cleaned WFP off a ladder.

Spruce

how does the 3 points of contact rule work on a ladder, if you are using a pole ?

idealrob

[stuart mc]

the safety harness becomes your third part of contact, that is how sky engineers and cavity wall guys do it

[Spruce]

Hi,

Do any of you use a safety belt with a Lanard secured to your ladder?

We have a couple of well set back windows on a job which can only be cleaned WFP off a ladder.

Spruce

how does the 3 points of contact rule work on a ladder, if you are using a pole ?
idealrob

It doesn't to be honest. Hence the need to be more secure. My son always foots the ladders, but I would be happier with a strap around my waist just to be sure. I do put a wide standoff at the top of the ladder to help prevent that spin.

I would have thought that the 3 point of contact rule is impossible to keep in the majority of ladder usage. I fitted a new satellite dish on the side of the house and it's not possible to drill an 8mm hole accurately with a Bosch 2kg rotary hammer with one hand. I haven't watched a sky dish installer at work, but I will stop and watch him next time.

Spruce

[Spruce]

the safety harness becomes your third part of contact, that is how sky engineers and cavity wall guys do it

That's what I would have thought. I was looking a belt to ensure I didn't over-balance backwards.

[stuart mc]

the strap round the waist harness are not suitable, it needs to be a full body harness, you would be more likely to break your back if you fell using them

[bobby p]

i spoke with a Sky engineer last year when on the streets. he had all the gear going  and telling me how the H and S courses he went on were long and time consuming and he asked me about my safety etc.
  then told me he had a dickey shoulder after a ladderfall when he put his ladder on the corner of a house. apparently you should never place the ladder on the outsides of a corner as it spins easily  

[Spruce]

i spoke with a Sky engineer last year when on the streets. he had all the gear going  and telling me how the H and S courses he went on were long and time consuming and he asked me about my safety etc.
  then told me he had a dickey shoulder after a ladderfall when he put his ladder on the corner of a house. apparently you should never place the ladder on the outsides of a corner as it spins easily 

I have one of those standoffs that are designed to work off corners if need be. However they aren't best at doing that so use them against the flat section of the wall.

[stuart mc]

spruce I can see where you are coming from with the belt and a short rope to stop you going backwards, but if you took a sidewards fall I doubt your son or stand off would stop the ladder spin, not that I am preaching H&S, I wouldn't even have considered the safety harness to be honest, I would have just done with no three point of contact unless you count my knee on a rung as the third

if it was a commercial I would insist on the eyebolts being fitted at the bottom so the ladder could be secured

domestic if I put my safety head on either they would need to do the same or they windows get missed

[bobby p]

when you are up the ladder Spruce if you brace your knees againgst the ladder stiles you will gain better grip and not tend to lean back so much. not quite 4 points of contact but at least 3.5 !
 something else i tend to do if my hands are free at top of a ladder is to lean inwards so the peak of my cap keeps nudging the glass ,that tells me im leaning in and not out

[Spruce]

Thanks guys for you comments

[DMC Window Cleaners Ltd]

do u have a picture of the window your trying seems very arkward wouldnt a longer WFP work or a longer goose neck?

[Sean Dyer]

Hi,

Do any of you use a safety belt with a Lanard secured to your ladder?

We have a couple of well set back windows on a job which can only be cleaned WFP off a ladder.

Spruce

sky do something like this , might be worth seeing how they do it

[Spruce]

do u have a picture of the window your trying seems very arkward wouldnt a longer WFP work or a longer goose neck?

I don't have a picture but the windows are third floor set back. behind 2 roofs at 90 degrees to the main roof which is part of the second floor. So they could be decribed as third floor dormer windows, but that the roof over the second floor that has these two apexes at 90 degress to the main roof. Why the builders put these 2 roofs on I don't understand, but as it's a listed building there is nothing anyone can do about it.

The longest pole I have is a 40 SLX and with a 24" goose neck I can't reach the windows at the bottom the clean them.

I also have to be extremely careful as the windows are old leaded types, are delicate and leak.

Spruce
 

[Sean Dyer]

you cant get on the roof , on do them from inside?

[VSP Home Care]

I have a sky engineers safety system and it is rather handy.  I had a quick look on the auction site for one but couldn't see one.

I did however find this for sale 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BT-Full-Body-Safety-Harness-/170796404529?pt=UK_Baby_Baby_Safety_ET&hash=item27c4424f31#ht_500wt_1202

[Spruce]

I have a sky engineers safety system and it is rather handy.  I had a quick look on the auction site for one but couldn't see one.

I did however find this for sale 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BT-Full-Body-Safety-Harness-/170796404529?pt=UK_Baby_Baby_Safety_ET&hash=item27c4424f31#ht_500wt_1202

nice advert

[Sean Dyer]

i am near middleton

wouldnt mind having a chat with the seller about harnesses