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Stephen Linton

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Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« on: February 12, 2012, 10:42:52 pm »
I current use the Host system to clean residential customers, I do have some commercial customers but I have heard that Low Moisture cleaning will be more efficient for commercial work.

Can anybody help me, is this true? And if so what equipment and chemicals would I have to look at, I have heard of Rotabright.

Thx
 

Colin Day

Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2012, 10:54:05 pm »
Hello Stephen..

There are plenty of LM guys on here.

May I suggest while you wait for their invaluable advice, use the search facility to see what nuggets of information you can find.

Most of us are HWE, but do venture over to the dark side now and then and use LM and VLM.... :)

K.O. Glanville

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 08:52:38 am »
I've been using a Cimex for nearly a decade now on commercal work.

It's the duck's guts, (flamin' good).

Also if you can get it, the Releasit range of solutions are excellent.

Google excellent-supply for more info.

For more info on vlm, try here:

http://www.excellent-supply.com/Forum_c_58.html


I hope I haven't broken any rules  by posting this info here.

Shorty.

gwrightson

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 10:16:19 am »


Shorty ,
I too really like the cimex and encap, how ever ,,unfortunatly in the uk rrealisit is not available in the uk as far as i am aware , i have heard great reports from usa and indeed tried to source here in uk to no avail, I use an encap product called surround , great product but only draw back i have found is the foaming ability.
Got to admit would love to try some realisit if any body has any available  ::)

Geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2012, 10:18:37 am »
For encap I like fusion clean, however I do find that it needs to be twice the strength that solutions say to do the job properly.

If it is a straight forward prespray agaitate and bonnet job, then I like Mpower fusion clean or solution HD.... I have yet to try SPM but will be doing so this year sometime

Phil @ Extreme Clean

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2012, 02:30:05 pm »
take a look at the Dry Fusion Sticky At top of forum  ;D
Extreme Clean
Carpets to DRY For!!!!!

www.bookaquote.co.uk

Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 07:15:50 pm »
.... I have yet to try SPM but will be doing so this year sometime

I used SPM with LM on a white EOT carpet today. All bar the bluetac and other tough marks it make the carpet cleaner than it was when they moved in (her words not mine). Granted the prespray was HOT, then agitate with a brown pad, dwell 20 minutes before cotton padding off.
I have equally used Pureclean and got the desired results with LM so you don't have to use 'dedicated LM' products to get the results needed.

wynne jones

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2012, 07:18:55 pm »
I'd like to try some releasit as it's supposed to be the daddy of encap products but I don't think they want it in the UK for some reason.

Fusion Clean - Dry Fusion is the difference a licence?

It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

TONY KELLY

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2012, 04:57:31 pm »
FOR LOW MOISTURE CLEANING IGNORE THE PRETENDERS -SEE THE ORIGINAL & BEST
IT'S GOT TO BE DRY FUSION !

Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2012, 05:00:07 pm »


The shouting that is.......................

There is more than 1 way to skin a cat.... DF is NOT the only LM method....

Others do not need a licence for a start....  :P

Mike Halliday

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2012, 05:09:59 pm »
FOR LOW MOISTURE CLEANING IGNORE THE PRETENDERS -SEE THE ORIGINAL & BEST
IT'S GOT TO BE DRY FUSION !

the original???? so before dry fusion there was no low moisture cleaning? 
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

jasonl

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2012, 05:10:39 pm »
Also dry fusion is by far and away not the original, it is a development of earlier systems .
I clean carpets
I dry Buildings

from edge2edge

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2012, 05:43:30 pm »
Craftex Thermadry doesnt need a licence,looks great to the customer and with a pureclean prespray with craftex laundry smell deo  then a pad with some catalyst on it does a stonkin job time and time again(but really its just a heavy rotor in my opinion and i have rotored miles of carpet in my time).Regards Alan(swindon)

Len Gribble

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2012, 07:15:25 pm »
The only unique thing I can see with DF (1st) and CT (2nd) is the heater system  ;)




Stephen

You don’t need to spend a fortune on a LM machine I paid 20quid for my first one; pads cost me well over a ton!!  :'(  The profit on the 1st job far exceeds cost of equipment


Just sold my TM4 to a bloke who only dose commercial  :o ;D


Check you web site (No change of shrinkage)   :o ;)
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2012, 09:41:56 pm »
Also dry fusion is by far and away not the original, it is a development of earlier systems .

It's an evolution of the Columbus Dixon/Electrolux Hot Oiler for wood floors.

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2012, 09:46:44 pm »
The two most used methods with us out of all the systems are Cimex Encap and Bonnet cleaning with Chemspec Rotobrite either the Soil Retard with Stainshield for maintenance or Rotobrite 2 on restorations.

We also use Rotobrite 2 as a preconditioned when doing dry compound cleaning.

clive ware

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2012, 10:28:15 pm »
Some carpets the dry fusion machine wont even work on. BobAllen and I clean a hospital carpet which has the really low profile polyprop impervious backed carpet which has really gone flat over the years. This carpet is all through the top floor and I have to use the texatherm machine on it as the dry fusion machine wont even move!

K.O. Glanville

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2012, 06:22:04 am »
With reference to the "Dry Fusion" method, here's an old post from elsewhere that I found.

"    I was saddened to read on an Australian Forum that John Goldsmith died on the 2nd January. He died after living with cancer for some time. John was the inventor and driving force behind Dry Fusion and other products. He will be sadly missed by all who knew him.

    My condolences to his family.

    God Bless you John

    Ken

Veni, vidi, vici, Vaxi: I came, I saw, I conquered, I cleaned up
www.kendry.co.uk
Ken Wainwright, Jan 7, 2004 "




John Goldsmith & his wife Elizabeth were personal friends of mine for many years.

He told me many years ago that he got the idea for "Dry Fusion" by using a machine that he had seen people using to clean roofs in Germany, and the rest is history.

In Australia, his main business was Research Industries, a manufacturer of cleaning chemicals, and he went on to make "Green Solutions" before they were fashionable, which he called "Citrus Resources".

I'm also pretty sure, he was the first person to start using d'lemonene for oil stain removal.

Back in about September 2003, John and Elizabeth joined along with many carpet cleaners on a night cruise along the Nepean River at Penrith, New South Wales, in conjunction with an Ausclean trade show.

That unfortunately, was the last time I saw John.

Shorty.



PS::::  Low Moisture Cleaning is often confusing to people including carpet cleaners.

Low Moisture DOES NOT have to be encapsulation, bonnet, dry fusion, or any other cleaning related to these words.

It can also be done with HWE cleaning.

From the LMCCA website:

"Low Moisture Cleaning is methods or procedures that allow any fibers to dry to its natural state in less than 2 hours. For a more detailed paper see our White Paper Defining this Term in the Document Manager Area."


Cheers,

Shorty.

 

Stephen Linton

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2012, 10:47:17 pm »
Thanks guys, all good advise, i have spent hours reading on this site and also looking through youtube, but iam now just as confused.

I have looked at Dry Fusion and it looks great then i found this http://youtu.be/G9iYuxZj02c is this correct??

I also found this http://youtu.be/vmbwFepjEUw any thoughts on these?

Thanks guys....

john martin

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Re: Low moisture cleaning of carpets
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2012, 11:15:24 pm »
pretty much agree with the first guy , you don't need the ones with little steam or heat guns stuck to the top ...
although they do look more sophisticated and may help sell the process to the customer .