[Chris R]

   
Hello
I am thinking about getting an Airflex Storm (or a Jaguar 6.6) and was hoping for some feedback from those of you that own the machine?

Have you had any problems with the vac motors or water pump yet?

What's the build quality like?

Any info would be much appreciated or if you would rather not post on the forum please email me at ChrisR2013@gmail.com

Thanks

[Simon@arenaclean]

I owned a Turbo then had it upgraded to a storm and so far i'm delighted with both. I did one vac motor in the Turbo which was done under warranty because it pulled the foam seal throught the vac. When Cleansmart did the upgrade the pump was 500 + hours but still working fine but I replaced it anyway. The great thing is you could buy a pro twin vac and upgrade later to a Storm if you wanted. The remote system is a real bonus and the pump out is so simple and normally it just sits on the van, as standard I use 50 ft 2" hose (a must) but regularly go beyond, the most i've done is 125 and performance has been great. The Storm is lighter than the Turbo and can be lifted but I have a Movano so it's easy to get out when I have too, I also like the big wheels which makes it easier to negotiate steps up to properties. Build quality is robust but as anything you will need to flush the pump at the end of the day and run the vacs for 5 mins without the lid to force out any moisture. The 6.6 vacs are so far fine if they last as long as the 5.7's i'll be very happy. Back up and service from Matt has been second to none.

I suggest you will get similar comments from scorpion or jag owners and this is where suppliers like Cleansmart, World Of Clean and Restormate win because they supply good kit and treat their customers properly.

Simon 

[Chris R]

Thanks for your reply Simon.

Do you know if the new 6.6 vacs are a straight swap (easy to fit) in a standard twin vac Airflex or is it a job that can only be done by Cleansmart?

Thanks

[Simon@arenaclean]

If you just want to fit the vacs you would just need the mounting plate and vacs, check with Cleansmart for wiring etc but should be straight forward. The remote system is 'bolt on' but the auto empty involves tank mods, simple enough but for the sake of warranty.....

[john martin]

as an alternative option ...  USA built Electro motor 5.7 would fit without mods ..
same airwatts as 6.6 ( about 600 )
Fitting three in a Turbo would kick ass ...

[Colin Day]

as an alternative option ...  USA built Electro motor 5.7 would fit without mods ..
same airwatts as 6.6 ( about 600 )
Fitting three in a Turbo would kick ass ...

 

[john martin]

as an alternative option ...  USA built Electro motor 5.7 would fit without mods ..
same airwatts as 6.6 ( about 600 )
Fitting three in a Turbo would kick ass ...

 

Oh you dont want me to post the video again do you ?

well ok ...   in the right corner the Mexican 6.6
                  in the left corner the American Electro 5.7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KKAzll_-NA

[Colin Day]

That means diddly... You should get out more!

[Russ Chadd]

Am i right in saying that the Airflex Storm has to shut off the vacs before it can pump out?

[john martin]

That means diddly... You should get out more!

Both great motors , i just like to see performance measured  
Strikes me as odd how no one Jag forum wants to know the performance figures of they're machine , even though they were happy to measure the scorpion , Ed V refuses to measure the Jag with a series of excuses , John Bolton has claimed on an American forum that his guages were stolen when the jag came out . During the week i see jan Sullins , who has a wealth of experience and perhaps a ' voice in the ear ' in Jag design posted his test results on cleantalk in an attempt to enter discussion , however no one seemed interested and next poster told him how he should view the performance of the jag ( like an A10 Tunderbolt ?)  ... and of coarse the default descriptions , ultratec wind tunnel motors , dont put them in another machine or your tank will collapse  etc ....  really , he must think some of them are idiots ( i don't mean anyone on here ! )   doubt if he will bother to post again ...

I get out plenty      

[Shaun_Ashmore]

With respect John you can't post questions like that on the other forum it's not what you'd do, it's like talking about your latest girlfriend infront of your ex mother in law.

Now looking at these motors from an objectional point of view would the 6.6" motor being bigger create more air movement than a smaller motor?

Shaun

[Colin Day]

John, I have had the pleasure of seeing the results of what CFM's the Jag pulls... And it was more than anyone expected.

Watch this space....

[Colin Day]

Am i right in saying that the Airflex Storm has to shut off the vacs before it can pump out?

Seems pointless....

[john martin]

With respect John you can't post questions like that on the other forum it's not what you'd do, it's like talking about your latest girlfriend infront of your ex mother in law.

Now looking at these motors from an objectional point of view would the 6.6" motor being bigger create more air movement than a smaller motor?

Shaun

perhaps you right .

I believe the newer  vacs get their performance increase from a newer fan design ( thicker center fan , conical bottom etc ...
in this case ,the two vacs above .... both are conical bottomed , the 6.6 is a two stage with approx 130 lift and 130 cfm ....  the ' electro ' is a three stage with aprox 140 ' lift  but a slight decrease in cfm ...( although they measured same cfm in the video )  
perhaps airwatts reflect working load a little better ...  both have around 600

a few other vac have similar performance , some domels ,   ametek 8.4 has around 700 airwatts but pricey  

[john martin]

John, I have had the pleasure of seeing the results of what CFM's the Jag pulls... And it was more than anyone expected.

Watch this space....

sounds good .. hopefully they measured lift too 

[john martin]

Am i right in saying that the Airflex Storm has to shut off the vacs before it can pump out?

I could be wrong , but that sound like gravity auto empty ( ashbys offer it as an option also ....    you would have a large checkvalve on the waste out let and the waste gate would be left open during use , but when machine is powered off the oneway valve open and waste flows out ( advantage , no filter large output .

But an auto pumpout should open its smaller checkvalve by the power of the pump .

[Colin Day]

Am i right in saying that the Airflex Storm has to shut off the vacs before it can pump out?

I could be wrong , but that sound like gravity auto empty ( ashbys offer it as an option also ....    you would have a large checkvalve on the waste out let and the waste gate would be left open during use , but when machine is powered off the oneway valve open and waste flows out ( advantage , no filter large output .

But an auto pumpout should open its smaller checkvalve by the power of the pump .

The auto-dump works a treat on the Jag, add to that the constant 90 degrees (c) water from the Zeta and no need to check the waste tank level = Time efficiency....

[carpet_care]

Am i right in saying that the Airflex Storm has to shut off the vacs before it can pump out?


Yes Russ but if you have the remote its just a quick switch off while you prespray something or move furniture and away you go it will usually empty in about a minute. I have mine van mounted and its great when working upstairs and you dont need to go back to the van or want to switch from the wand to a  stair tool.

Ps I still have my prowler for sale if anyone is after a bargain as i`m willing to drop the origional price, i will be putting it back up on the for sale section just got too busy over xmas to promote it and had other stuff to sort in jan.

If anyone wants to contact me tomorrow about it if you go back on the for sale section to i think end of Nov i think my mobile is on there.


Signing Off now though


 Regards Andy Locke.

[Simon@arenaclean]

Seems pointless....

Not really. The remote saves lots of time too, and wear on equipment, as Andy said when moving furniture etc, you simply switch it off. No need to get back to the van, grateful for that when I'm several flights of stairs up. As it suggests before you put your shoe protectors on, start up, switch off with remote and that's it no need to go back until your done. Theres no chance of damage to a 'pump out' system from debris etc, the waste outlet is 1.5" so it's quick and easy.

Not pointless at all

[Colin Day]

I'll stick with what I've got, thanks.....