for me i just cant be bothered with the hassle of it.gas bottles,hoses leaking more etc.added expense in insurances and general running costs.
you maybe right about the faster cleans on some work esp if they are really dirty etc but i do just fine with a cold system.if im cleaning fascias/gutters/ soffits/conny roofs then soaking a bit with just cold water or adding tfr/virosol if their really dirty does the trick.
most of my work is general maintenance window cleaning on domestics.the only thing i would say is softer hoses when its cold would be good but the downside is hoses getting damaged more easily i presume.
regards
dazmond
I used to think exactly that way, now that I'm hot I wouldn't go back. I ran out of gas today and it's just so slow. TFR is very slow and takes time to apply, when you first start doing conservatory roofs and guttering with hot wfp that's when you throw the TFR in the bin. More £ per hour, much more actually on those types of cleans.
Yes it is an investment, not just initial layout, but also the gas, but it's nowhere as much as with a Diesel system. You earn your money back quite quickly.
maintenance cleans , i only go over the glass once anyway ..
Maybe I should have elaborated a bit more. It's mainly down to three things how quick you can be on windows. (Purity, flow of water etc not taken into account as that is a standard given)
1. Frequency of clean
2. Brush used
(3. Time and place of clean.)
On 4 weekly work the difference isn't as big as 6, or 8 weekly cleans. With cold on most 4 weekly work you can get away with just going over the glass once. Today I did a mix of 4 weekly, 6 weekly, 8 weekly, and even 10 weekly. Would you be surprised if I said I went over the glass just once? Even with a Flocked Dual Trim I couldn't do that with Cold on the more longer interval cleans. With Hot I can, easily, even with the Xtreme. The difference isn't just the glass, all the cobwebs, spider nests, snail trails and spider poo just dissolves so easy. With cold you need to really attack that dirt, especially on upvc, with hot it just flies off. Anything more then just the standard dust on the window and frames and hot makes it faster.
2. I like to use the lightest brush possible. Today I just used an mono xtreme with hot. Even on some dirty four weekly cleans you need to be careful that you don't leave spots behind, the mono bristles do not dig in enough to make a real difference, they glide over the glass more, needing more passes. Nice and quick on the glass, but not as effective as say a flocked brush.
The hot makes the mono Xtreme softer and digs in more. When used with Cold I've found the soft xtreme is much better in that regard.
Using my flocked Dual trim with cold I can go over the glass just once on quite a few properties, 4 to 6 weekly. On dirty 6 and 8 weekly cleans even then I had to go twice over the glass. Cold just doesn't dissolve the dirt quickly enough. Again anything more then just the standard dirt, and even on 4 weekly cleans using cold with slow down.
I have a Hotwash and find it a complete pain in the arse to be honest. It's comfortable in cold conditions but not needed in milder weather. It can wreck hoses, blow connectors and ruin brushes if too hot. Doesn't make cleaning any faster on maintenance cleans unless you change your technique ie. scrub less or don't rinse. The heat softens the hose and fools the varistream giving too much pressure as you know Tim because you've blown your reel apart as I did.
In summary as a luxury it's great but not needed in milder climates.
I've also found half of it is in the mind - I've been cleaning and thinking like you, hot is brilliant - just look at the way that water is sheeting and drying, then i get back to the van only to find the heater has gone out and I've been cleaning with cold water!
I do agree it can be tricky setting it up right, but once set up right it's fine. No blown hoses, no ruined brushes (my Gardiner's brushes are just great) and no problems with connectors either. Also, I've bypassed the CO2 sensor, so that it doesn't cut out any more. That actually drove me mad, having to go back to the van.
To get back to the Claber reel, it's just not suitable for heavy handed high tension winding. The plates on the inside are held up with plastic brackets. That's where it went wrong, they just buckled. I've bent it all back in shape, being a little less heavy handed on the reel and it's fine. Because of the stretch in the hose I can't reel it in around tricky obstacles any more, because the tension on the reel is too much. Then it starts to deform. Any professional metal reel won't have this problem.
Also the hoselock on the inside of the reel twists and turns, don't think it's doing any good with Hot as I've had twice a problem there.
Adjusting the pressure down is key, there is no fooling the Varistream going on, just need to set the pressure correctly. As for being faster, again, you only need a smidgen of extra dirt on the frames or glass and cold needs much more passes, just think about half a dozen or so snail trails on the window. It takes ages with Cold. So even on small interval maintenance work, the difference is there.
It's also not in between the ears. Not being funny, but I've done these properties for years, I know exactly how fast I am, and exactly how much work the property needs. I've been doing this long enough now to know when I'm making a difference. Hot makes a massive difference on a great number of cleans.
And me m8 just the once as there is no need to go over more than once.
It's all about the rinsing not the scrubbing
In my opinion the scrubbing power is one of the most important things in a brush, as that lifts the dirt off the glass, water rinses it down the window. You can't have one without the other. The rinse rinse rinse if in doubt that is repeated time and time on here is mostly incorrect, it's a combination of the two (not taking into account any issues with the actual glass and frames).
ive got hot wash but use cold will use it on the frosty mornings when they come !!!! As for faster cleans load of rubbish i think cold cleans just as good as hot with birds mess just give it a soak clean some other windows then go back it comes off pretty easy !!! I gotta say the hot will be good when really cold so good to have !!! as for cost not much a 13kg bottle will last about 7 weeks £25 as for flu havnt got one bolted on back door so not a prob as leave open when i will use hot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is a contradiction in one sentence. Even though cold cleans as well in the sense of the dissolving of dirt, the reaction rates are much higher. If you have to soak it first, then cold doesn't clean as quick as hot, that's obvious. Also, all time spent add up, so having to go back and forth soaking stuff just slows you down. With hot, it's gone.
Even though some might argue that the above is an opinion, over the last 3 months or so I've been faster all across the board. And that's a fact.