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The Carpet Cleaning Pro

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Big hype about agitation these days
« on: January 15, 2012, 04:35:48 pm »
There seems to be a big thing about agitation these days and it seems to have become a major issue in getting power agitators such as sebo duo etc. To be honest on most jobs I come accross I do not need it. A GOOD vac, a good QUALITY prespray, dwell time and then a nice even extraction with the trucky and a good QUALITY acidic rinse. What ever happend to preventative cleaning, correctional cleaning, and if needed a salvage clean. (as taught on Prochem courses) It looks like most are just going in spraying a prespray down , scrubbing the hell out of it, then blasting with hot water extration.

Mark Lawrence

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Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 04:42:46 pm »
...power agitators such as sebo duo etc.

The Duo certainly isnt a 'power' agitator - it's lightweight and flimsy, only good enough on the lightest of soils tbh.

Mark

Jim_77

Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 04:53:51 pm »
Depends what you're trying to do with it Mark!  If you're trying to rip the tufts out of the carpet, no it's not going to do that.  But for wool or nylon it's more than adequate, just slow over big areas but then most domestics where it would be used aren't a problem in that respect.

Mick I think there's 2 answers to your question.  First thing is, that it is a much bigger pain in the backside to not quite get the result with a tentative attempt first time, and then have to go over it again with a more thorough process.  Machine agitating makes sure that you get the solution worked in as well as possible so it leaves no doubt in your mind that you might have done any better.

Secondly, to remove agitation from the equation you have to increase the other parts of the cleaning pie.  In most cases this means the strength and amount of pre-spray, and also the grunt you have to put into the extraction.  Agitation can mean the difference between one pass with the wand at 300psi compared to back and forth at 500psi to bully the dirty bits clean.

Put simply, a lighter pre-spray followed by agitation and the resulting lower powered rinse required, leaves a much drier carpet behind.

I don't subscribe to this view that "microsplitters" have to be agitated otherwise they don't work, in the same way that I don't believe you can spray a detergent down and just leave it and it will work just as well.  Agitation required is dictated by the soil conditions and the carpet fibre/construction.  I sometimes agitate detergents quite a lot... I sometimes never agitate microsplitters.

Another thing... your pre-vac may be lifting the pile, doing the job of an agitation process that some others might employ after pre-spraying having skipped the vac stage (as if any of us would do that ;) )

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 05:25:25 pm »
I use a host machine to lift the pile the end results is better.

Shaun

Tony Stewart

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Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 06:01:01 pm »
I used to pre spray then get a good stiff brush and agitate. From the forum I was never really convinced about the sebo duo's as I got the impression that they were a bit light.

Bought a crb on ebay for not much more than a second hand sebo....wow!

Using the crb you can see which stains are going to come out and with a bit of extra work on the others it's a cinch now. I use SPM and even a cold water extraction and a beige or white coloured carpet does not fill me with trepidation any more.

Just remember to clean the machine off before you go to the next job otherwise you get a whole load of black carpet crud deposited on the next customer's carpet!!!
Back's a bit better too!
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Steve Chapman

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Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 06:09:47 pm »
Agitation is not always about scrubbing the carpet to death, but even on lightly soiled carpets its useful to break the surface tension and allow the prespray to soak into the carpet quicker thus reducing dwell time and amount of prespray used, and enabling you to get on with the job a bit quicker.

Its a no brainer really,   ;)


Steve



Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 08:13:27 pm »

Its a no brainer really,   ;)


Where can you get these no brainers from, I must get one ;D

Jim_77

Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 10:57:45 pm »
Plenty of no brainers on this forum, you don't have to look too hard ;D ;D

Billy Russell

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Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 11:08:19 pm »
Plenty of no brainers on this forum, you don't have to look too hard ;D ;D


and Jim's there Leader!!!!!!!!!!!


 ;D ;D ;D

Jim_77

Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 11:11:08 pm »
No, I'm their GOD

BOW DOWN SMALL BLOWER!!

AshWhite

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Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 11:14:42 pm »
No, I'm their GOD

BOW DOWN SMALL BLOWER!!

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Seymour Sunshine

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Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 11:28:06 pm »
I'm not sure whether it's a big hype or not. It might well come down to the sprayer chemicals you're using.

Me being me, I was curious about the pre-spray stage and what it actually did. I sprayed a carpet and then got down on my hands and knees with a magnifying glass. What I saw was millions of tiny droplets of liquid sitting on top of the pile. When I agitated the carpet with my finger and looked again I saw that the agitation had broken up the droplets and wetted the pile where I had agitated.

Now it probably depends on three variables:

1 - drop size of the sprayer

2 - surface tension of the spray liquid

3 - physical properties of the carpet pile.

One thing I AM certain of, though. Droplets sitting on top of the pile are not doing anything useful.

Therefore, agitation cannot possibly hurt. No agitation can possibly result in wasted time, energy and chemical.

If you must err, err on the side of caution and agitate, even if it's only with a brush to make sure that the spray does actually wet the carpet. The dwell time is then actually time when the chemicals are in contact with the soiled fibres and not just sitting uselessly on top.
Banjo players are sent from heaven ... to make drummers look good.

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 12:13:56 am »
Did everyone do a bad job before mechanical agitaton was available??

I find a brush does the job 90% of the time on residential jobs.



Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 07:33:35 am »
Good post Seymour.....

Tony you are a young tiger, so a brush is fine, but wait till you start creaking when you walk like I do, anything mechanical that will make the job easier is used.......................... trust me................ I am a doctor  well alright not a doctor exactly but a grumpy old git with aching and creaking bones...

 ;D ;D ;D

Jim_77

Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 09:58:56 am »
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If you must err, err on the side of caution and agitate, even if it's only with a brush to make sure that the spray does actually wet the carpet. The dwell time is then actually time when the chemicals are in contact with the soiled fibres and not just sitting uselessly on top.

Blimey we agree on something ;D ;D ;D ;D

Seymour Sunshine

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Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 10:02:13 am »
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If you must err, err on the side of caution and agitate, even if it's only with a brush to make sure that the spray does actually wet the carpet. The dwell time is then actually time when the chemicals are in contact with the soiled fibres and not just sitting uselessly on top.

Blimey we agree on something ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nah - I was only joshin'
Banjo players are sent from heaven ... to make drummers look good.

Jim_77

Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 10:14:46 am »
Thank god for that :)

wynne jones

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Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2012, 03:49:11 pm »
If you have a TM you have much more scope not to agitate.

Some places I won't bother agitating at all or maybe I will lug something big and heavy out the van.

It's as required and what will ultimately save me the most time.
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Colin Day

Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2012, 04:13:41 pm »
Did everyone do a bad job before mechanical agitaton was available??

I find a brush does the job 90% of the time on residential jobs.




No, but I do an even better job now.... :)

Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: Big hype about agitation these days
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2012, 04:59:24 pm »
anything mechanical that will make the job easier is used.......................... trust me................ I am a doctor  well alright not a doctor exactly but a grumpy old git with aching and creaking bones...

 ;D ;D ;D


Couldn't agree more .......and I am a doctor ;D

Rog
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