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Rich A

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Looking to start in the business
« on: January 04, 2012, 11:25:55 am »
Hi Guys

   I'm looking to start Window Cleaning as a second job. I have a 9-5 job and would be looking to do this at the weekends and evenings in the summer. When/If I get enough business I would like to employ someone and continue my FT Job.

Can anyone point me in the right direction of a good guide to get started on a small PT basis? I have never done proffessional WC before so would like to know the full process. i.e. do you guys treat the water, do you do windows that have lower level roofs that you would need to stand on etc. A complete beginners guide would be great.

Cheers all.

dave f

Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2012, 11:52:42 am »
resurch the old posts much quicker

ICS Cleaning

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2012, 11:58:18 am »
I agree research your customers. Website has to be your best bet......75% of my work comes through my website....

hope it helps

Rich A

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2012, 12:00:09 pm »
I've found a site http://windowcleaningcoach.com/ is this everything I need to know? I don't like to go into a venture unprepared.

tom cronin

Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2012, 01:15:49 pm »
Where are you looking to build youre round?

Perfect Windows

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2012, 01:50:53 pm »
Good on you.

Don't underprice; you'll regret it later and resent doing the underpriced jobs.  If you're in a part of the country where people have cash, charge more; they'll pay it.  Customers you gain in winter will stick with you like glue.

Leaflet and canvass together.  Work out what frequencies you're going to offer and stick to them.  Decide now how you're going to get round your customers and how you'll add new ones (much easier than reorganising later).

Get a notebook.  Read through fifty pages of posts on here and make a list of who posts sense.  Go back into the past to find good posters.  Ian Lancaster might be a good start, though he doesn't post too much now.  Then use the search facility to find all their posts and read the lot.  Note what they do and take the best of their ideas.  However, don't be afraid to improve what they are doing if you are sure you know better - that's how people beat the opposition.  Ignore any posts that look like they are just a whinge.  (not just when you start, keep up the habit - people who whine about weather and van problems on here just sap your willpower)

Surround yourself with optimists. 

Expect to work twice as hard for everything than you initially expect.

When you start cleaning, make sure you're eating enough.  It's hard work at the start and when you're low on fuel, your morale will drop.  Keep well fuelled by eating and drinking enough.

Finally, the simple bit.  If you keep on turning up and you keep on getting their windows clean, you'll not lose many customers and they'll recommend you to everyone they meet.

Vin

sean84

Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2012, 02:41:36 pm »
I've found a site http://windowcleaningcoach.com/ is this everything I need to know? I don't like to go into a venture unprepared.

This is a good source of info to read, I haven't started my round yet, but have gained valuable information from that site. Also reading posts on here and using the search tool will also help you loads  ;)

Nameless Drudge

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2012, 02:46:20 pm »
Hmmmm,your end goal is probably not very feasible due to margins etc.If you build up enough to afford to employ someone then as soon as this occurs you`ll almost certainly  be no better off than if you did an odd day yourself.Admirable thing to do though  if you were wanting to help someone as the long term benefactor is unlikely to be you.

lyndy

  • Posts: 384
Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2012, 03:19:06 pm »
This is what i do already,and it's well worth it,really hard work at first,really easy to run now

Nameless Drudge

  • Posts: 997
Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2012, 03:58:41 pm »
This is what i do already,and it's well worth it,really hard work at first,really easy to run now


Do you mean you employ and still have a full time job unconnected with window cleaning?

Scrimble

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 04:09:29 pm »
window cleaning in the evening?? starting in the summer??

this job is all year round sunshine, stick to your 9-5 job if your plan is to employ someone to work for you because by the sounds of it your plan has fail written all over it

lyndy

  • Posts: 384
Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2012, 04:13:57 pm »
Yes,it took 2 years to get a full round,all I really do is do the work sheets and the quotes,me and my wife I should say,we couldn't have done it with out each other

GDwindowcleaning

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2012, 04:17:02 pm »
Nothing is impossible as lyndy proves but it will make it very hard, employing the right person is the key, both to get the work and clean it. Sounds like alot on top of a nine to five

Rich A

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2012, 04:30:12 pm »
window cleaning in the evening?? starting in the summer??

this job is all year round sunshine, stick to your 9-5 job if your plan is to employ someone to work for you because by the sounds of it your plan has fail written all over it

Can I give up a job on £30k per year then? I don't think so. If I build it up evenings and weekends and then employ someone FT. Surely when I get a small team of guys I'll be able to quit my job, go FT at the WC with a team of lads working for me too? Or is £30k unachievable with any amount of guys?

Lets be clear, I want to make as much as possible here. If I have a guy working for me on a wage of £7p/h 9-4. Thats £50 per day for the self employed contractor. Even if they are only doing £10 worth of WC p/h I would still take £20p/d for running the business. Now lets say I have two lads working for me (self employed contractors) that £100 wage p/d with me taking £40. Lets go to as far as I see reasonable 4 lads £200 p/d still only doing £10W/c each p/h that's £80 per day to me. Now I sack one of these lads off, go FT myself and what do I take home guys? £33,800p/a.

I'd hope that they would get quicker and take on commercial jobs e.t.c and do more than £10p/h after a little practice.

I'm looking to the future here guys and not this year of course I know it takes time to build these things up. Does this all sound ridiculous to the optomists around here?

edit: I'm based in the Coventry/Nuneaton area

andyM

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2012, 04:36:00 pm »
Good luck finding the £50 a day self-employed contractors  ???
One of the Plebs

Rich A

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2012, 04:38:12 pm »
Good luck finding the £50 a day self-employed contractors  ???

And heres me thinking that £7 p/h was a reasonable wage. Is it not?

andyM

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2012, 04:42:27 pm »
Don't take it the wrong way because im not trying to get your back up. But are you or have you ever been self-employed?
I would guesse no?
One of the Plebs

D woods

Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2012, 04:50:26 pm »
I suspect this is someone looking to have a bit of sport

andyM

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2012, 04:53:29 pm »
I suspect this is someone looking to have a bit of sport

A mask wearing sweaty wrestler with a mexican accent?
One of the Plebs

Dougaldum

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Re: Looking to start in the business
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2012, 04:57:11 pm »
window cleaning in the evening?? starting in the summer??

this job is all year round sunshine, stick to your 9-5 job if your plan is to employ someone to work for you because by the sounds of it your plan has fail written all over it

Can I give up a job on £30k per year then? I don't think so. If I build it up evenings and weekends and then employ someone FT. Surely when I get a small team of guys I'll be able to quit my job, go FT at the WC with a team of lads working for me too? Or is £30k unachievable with any amount of guys?sou

Lets be clear, I want to make as much as possible here. If I have a guy working for me on a wage of £7p/h 9-4. Thats £50 per day for the self employed contractor. Even if they are only doing £10 worth of WC p/h I would still take £20p/d for running the business. Now lets say I have two lads working for me (self employed contractors) that £100 wage p/d with me taking £40. Lets go to as far as I see reasonable 4 lads £200 p/d still only doing £10W/c each p/h that's £80 per day to me. Now I sack one of these lads off, go FT myself and what do I take home guys? £33,800p/a.

I'd hope that they would get quicker and take on commercial jobs e.t.c and do more than £10p/h after a little practice.

I'm looking to the future here guys and not this year of course I know it takes time to build these things up. Does this all sound ridiculous to the optomists around here?

edit: I'm based in the Coventry/Nuneaton area
sounds a bit greedy to me