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Pope vader

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knackered battery
« on: December 19, 2011, 09:43:51 am »
went out to van this morning, as weather is crap, so checking a few things  digi said battery was at 11.8

when running it is 14.0 (no system on)
when running it is 12.3 (with system running at 60)
when not running it is 11.2 (with system running at 60)


is it  a knackered battery,

Re: knackered battery
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2011, 09:59:10 am »
battery is being charged ok by alternator when engine running. but unless something draining battery overnight, your battery is Knackered. same story with mine, changed mine yesterday.

not sure why voltage drops so much with system running, "system running at 60" not sure what that means, but perhaps alternater tired too, or not up to Job of charging dud battery and your system too.

my thoughts anyway

Pope vader

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Re: knackered battery
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 10:01:51 am »
i run system off cig lighter, so it is using the van battery, 

Ian Sheppard

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Re: knackered battery
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 09:48:55 am »
The Voltage will drop 12with the system running due to the current draw from the pump, Voltage will also drop down the length of the cable, Copper wire does have a small resistance vale to electrical current so the long the cable the greater the volt drop down its length. Poor connections will also have an effect.

On the charging capacity via a relay
Remember the controller is not able to generate electrical current.
The maximum rate we can charge is set not by the controller as it acts only as a switch once the alternator/engine are running, but by the capacity of the alternator. The charging capacity is controlled by the alternator which is generating current.

The amp per hour charge rate is dependant on a number of factors for example the length of time the engine/alternator are running and how quickly they run.
Most alternators are designed to trickle charge a battery so the longer and faster they run the higher the charge rate. (Up to the maximum capacity of the alternator and battery) There is also a restriction based on the maximum capacity of the alternator and battery in any system plus any drop off through the wiring due to resistance.

The ampage per hour rate will drop off as the battery nears full charge, the batteries capacity to take amps drops as the voltage capacity nears its maximum. The only way of physically pushing higher current into the battery would be to increase the Voltage capacity and increase the maximum generating capacity of the Alternator.

for the technically minded there is Ohms Law  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm%27s_law

Cheers

IAN
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Re: knackered battery
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 10:56:50 am »
the battery is Knackered tho, correct?

and surely if engine running shouldn't drop to 12 volts (at battery), alternator should be able to handle it, even with all lights/demisters/wipers/ on mine is still above 13.5 volts.

Pope vader

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Re: knackered battery
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2011, 10:59:48 am »
system running at 60, means i am running my wfp system on the 60 setting  (digi flow)  as if up it to 99 the flow flashes battery

Ian Sheppard

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Re: knackered battery
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2011, 11:02:55 am »
I suspect you are right that the battery is knackered.
In the case where the vehicle battery is running the system and vehicle electrics the alternator should help keep the voltage up close to 13.5V at the battery you may see some drop off.
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