[Dougaldum]

Just delivered today C and M cleaning and maintenance magazine and on page 25 it reads Lord DaLL, director of dall partnership which operates throughout Southampton and Portsmouth also covers London and other key towns and cities said I have been in the window cleaning industry for 20 years now and tying is really have changed. Here at dall were aware that property owners are starting to specify qualifications when they recruit. In particular, day and was window cleanness who have a QCF level II qualification, so for us its a must at all our guys should attend a recognised course and achieve this important professional training and certification.

Personally I don't think house  holders are going to ask to see a QCF at the level II qualification to clean windows not in my lifetime what you think

[YWCS]

i'd be surprised if a majority of commercial customers ask for it too, unless there is legislation.

[Ian101]

I've yet to be asked about public liability by my commercials

[YWCS]

i have a quite a few who want a copy every year, but most dont

[wightsurf]

I have a few commercials that want a copy.

[daniel worgan]

Just delivered today C and M cleaning and maintenance magazine and on page 25 it reads Lord DaLL, director of dall partnership which operates throughout Southampton and Portsmouth also covers London and other key towns and cities said I have been in the window cleaning industry for 20 years now and tying is really have changed. Here at dall were aware that property owners are starting to specify qualifications when they recruit. In particular, day and was window cleanness who have a QCF level II qualification, so for us its a must at all our guys should attend a recognised course and achieve this important professional training and certification.

Personally I don't think house  holders are going to ask to see a QCF at the level II qualification to clean windows not in my lifetime what you think

He is bound to say that to a magazine,they are not likely to report that Lord Dall reckons that 99% of homeowners who have a window cleaner couldn't give a toss if you have window cleaning qualifications or not.
Window cleaning is an entry level business that requires minimal skill to enter and you can build a business based on that minimal skill.Of course commercial contracts are differant to a degree but domestic stuff will allways be open to the divs of this world who dont have or want letters behind their names.
 

[Window Washers]

I have an NVQ 2 in window cleaning lol

That title should of said, window cleaners raise the barPole

[windiewasher]

I have an NVQ 2 in window cleaning lol

That title should of said, window cleaners raise the barPole

Lol like it.
The only people gaining anything from a worthless qualification is the people fleeceing the government to fund them to offer such a worthless course.

[Ian101]

Just read the story myself

Maybe Im not enlightened but what a load of bull poop

Total concocted to edify each other ...

but then what do I know just being a window cleaner 

[Tom Kelly]

I have an NVQ 2 in window cleaning lol

That title should of said, window cleaners raise the barPole

Lol like it.
The only people gaining anything from a worthless qualification is the people fleeceing the government to fund them to offer such a worthless course.

Snzzzzzzzzz

[Handyman Window Cleaning Services]

what can they possibly teach you on a window cleaning course, i bet people who have been made redundant who fancy starting  a window cleaning company would go on a course.  there are tricks to the trade but i bet the ones that run the course know bog all.

If someone needs to go on a course to clean windows then they should stay away from windows, end of.

the cafe by me is putting her girls on BTEC Diplomas on table wiping

[Inside Out]

On your website you claim to be IPAF compliant!  - right underneath 'health and safety compliment'?? Did this require a course!?

It seems time and again, no one with any negative view of these courses has actually been on them - and or managed to attend the whole thing! Therefore, how can you comment on its content or what it actually teaches you?

I was fortunate enough to take advantage of the available funding, but, if I ever found myself in a position to expand and take on staff, o would without hesitation, pay for my staff to attend this course.

[Handyman Window Cleaning Services]

On your website you claim to be IPAF compliant!  - right underneath 'health and safety compliment'?? Did this require a course!?

It seems time and again, no one with any negative view of these courses has actually been on them - and or managed to attend the whole thing! Therefore, how can you comment on its content or what it actually teaches you?

I was fortunate enough to take advantage of the available funding, but, if I ever found myself in a position to expand and take on staff, o would without hesitation, pay for my staff to attend this course.

I Have been on a IPAF course and succesfully passed. i say health and safety compliant as i am H&S Compliant.

 i succesfully passed the questionaires in the past for safe contractor, but as paying all that money for a certificate that wasnt making me money wasnt worth it paying it.  I didnt then lie and continue saying i was Safe Contractor approved but felt it more appropriate to say health and safety compliant.

certinly sounds better that i have a nvq in window cleaning

[idealrob]

what can they possibly teach you on a window cleaning course, i bet people who have been made redundant who fancy starting  a window cleaning company would go on a course.  there are tricks to the trade but i bet the ones that run the course know bog all.

If someone needs to go on a course to clean windows then they should stay away from windows, end of.

the cafe by me is putting her girls on BTEC Diplomas on table wiping

how does the pic on your website of your van and the WAHR 2005 comply.

dont knock the courses till you have been on them, we have been operating for over 50 years , and yes still learning.

The phrase all the gear, no idea comes to mind, you can put all the bits on website for h & s , but most honestly have not got a clue, imo

idealrob

[Window Washers]

what can they possibly teach you on a window cleaning course, i bet people who have been made redundant who fancy starting  a window cleaning company would go on a course.  there are tricks to the trade but i bet the ones that run the course know bog all.

If someone needs to go on a course to clean windows then they should stay away from windows, end of.

the cafe by me is putting her girls on BTEC Diplomas on table wiping

how does the pic on your website of your van and the WAHR 2005 comply.

dont knock the courses till you have been on them, we have been operating for over 50 years , and yes still learning.

The phrase all the gear, no idea comes to mind, you can put all the bits on website for h & s , but most honestly have not got a clue, imo

idealrob

Love this, more so the still learning.

Everyday we have the ability to learn more.

We will never know everything so learning is the way forward, and that is aimed at everybody reading this

[Inside Out]

Handy Man.

I did not miss spell, your website says health and safety compliment, and not compliant. Won't take much time for you to sort out!?

I know someone who has done a website course if you need help 

All

Everyday is a school day right!?

To say you know all you never need to know is incredibly big headed. I will listen to anybody's ideas or thoughts, without laughing, mocking, or feeling I must air an opinion on its value.  Simply forget if no good, and use if needed to improve my working practice, and services offered!

[Handyman Window Cleaning Services]

i aint good at spelling so yeah there are spelling mistakes on my site, thanks for pointing it out.

but fot a nvq in window cleaning imo i find it quite pointless as i work on a small scale.  i  dont know and the H &S rules word for word as i suppose they would teach you on a couse.  but i am naturally ultra safe and i work safe. 
i did read up on all the acts i listed when i first ever completed a safe contractor questionaire,  the asbestos one i felt stupid adding but i do hi level cleaning it needed to be cover on the safe contractor questionaire.

for idealrob, how do you mean

how does the pic on your website of your van and the WAHR 2005 comply.

Whats wrong with my van,  i have a new one now though.  I keep the van in good nick no bald  tyres etc

WAHR 2005: well i rarely use a ladder as i am 100% WFP and olny use for access or some gutter cleaning jobs

i stay to the 75% rule or 1:4 on a ladder and equipment is checked on regular inverals  all WaH jobs i risk assess
when i use scaffolding it must have toe board and guard rails other wiise i will refuse to use
I am yet to use my IPAF for MEWPS but i know that i must wear a harness, as you can be catepolted out (especially in the evelated booms).

i know what is needed for my business i am ultra safe as i already said but a course would teach me more but it wouldnt improve my business.

i know that using a pressure washer without ear defenders, gloves and face/eye protection is asking for trouble
as is using a ladder on ice.

but i do see why there are courses out there, yeah i can read and learn but still natrually know basic health and safety.  i did have employees before, and what i thought was commen sense obviously wasnt to them. so a course probably would have suited them, but one got sack as he was a frank spencer and a H&A risk and the other got full time work.

[Moderator David@stives]

We have got

WAH Cert
Manual handling,
Harness training
mansafe training
IOSH managing safely
PASMA
IPAF all categorys
NVQ
Safecontractor
CHAS
FWC

By having staff, I feel obliged to give them training and the safest working environment and the ability to be able to there job safely, all major contractors see this as important to

[Handyman Window Cleaning Services]

when i do have staff, i never let them loose straight on site but i make sure they read company H+S Policy and working at Height polict etc.

i induct them on ladder usage, including footing a ladder correctly and communicate dangers.
i will promote hazard awareness for all task (ladder or pole)
i will show how to set up WFP system and hoses in a safe manner, then how to clean the window

employee will also be show how to use trad tools

lots of other tasks will be taught on the job.

some ppl wouldnt bother what i do but i feel it cover me as, if they cause damage or have an accident at least i can prove they have been inducted and shown the ropes.

David there is a large list do you cover a large area of commercial and highrise jobs?