[andrew stone]

any one else finding that after 15 years carpet cleaning is killing their back?

[benny d]

I had a back operation a few years ago as I had a really bad back and sciatica.

I use a Tens Machine from LLoyds Pharmacy which I place the pads on my back and use a lot of the time.
It puts in small pulses of something which gives your brain other sensations rather than just the back pain. It really helps me.
Its aboyt £8.00, and after the pads have been used a lot and loose their "stickness",  you can buy replacement pads for it.

[robert meldrum]

Glad you're getting relief  from the little Tens machine unfortunately it only gives temporary relief just co codamol or any pain relief product would. If you have recurring pain the source of the pain must be correctly adressed or it will keep coming back and due to muscle pulling when they should be relaxing WEAR will be taking place which will result in arthritis and possibly surgery at a later date.

If you've already had surgery but continue to get pain I'd be concerned.

rob m

qualified      Bowen therapist
      "            Pelvic Correction therapist
      "            Electrotherapy practitioner

[mark_roberts]

Welcome to the bad back club gained from cleaning carpets over many years.

Only solution is to manage it by whatever means possible.  For me thats employing a helper and doing daily exercises and going to a chiropractor every so often.

Mark

[robert meldrum]

Sorry but have to disagree about using  chiropractors. There are some around who might be genuine but there are many cases of damage done by and even fatalities as a result of bad chiropractic practice.

Osteopaths are safe and less likely to damage your body and their are other therapists who don't unnecessarily force your body to comply usually causing more pain and ensuring you'll return again and again and again.

Don't understand why you had an operation for sciatica which is very easy to deal with in just a few minutes.

[Mike Halliday]

Don't understand why you had an operation for sciatica which is very easy to deal with in just a few minutes.

so why are so many people suffering from sciatica? if it only takes a few minutes to deal with

please rell me what you would do it a few minutes?

[robert meldrum]

I suffered for about 40 years and an osteopath did enough to get me back on my feet but it kept returning as the root problem was nor being addressed ...............osteo's and chiro's are not trained in a particular and very simple realignment lechnique.

I had to travel to London when no one was able to deal with me after spinal compression set in.

He used this simple technique which he'd used for some time on sciatica sufferers and resolved their problems in one visit but asked them to return and be taught to deal with the problem themselves thereafter.

In my case I saw this gent about 7 or 8 years ago and have never needed to attend a therapist since. Not something I can easily post about but can give the name of the man to anyone who e mails me

[Ian Gourlay]

Hi Robert

Could you explain the differences between a chiropractor Osteopaths, and Bowen therapist

I did go to a Chiropractor , and I think he missed  a more serious condition as to why my neck was stiff

Also he calls himself Doctor

[chrisjohn]

On the whole my back is fine,but ive only been doin this work for 2 years.My main problem is pain in my shoulders.Presume its because of repetative use of the  wand.

Chris

[robert meldrum]

Ian, most back pain is caused by muscles in tension when they should be relaxing and the reason for them being in tension had to be dealt with or nothing changes.
Both chiro's and osteo's use manipulation to force movement within the skeleton osteo's are more gentle in what they do and less likely to cause damage.
It's just luck if you come across a good manipulative therapist and there are good chiro's but most follow the party line which is not to resolve a problem but to have you believe you'll require their services for life.
There are other therapies which use minimal force, quite literally what's known as eyeball pressure ( the amount of pressure you could bear on your eye if closing it and pressing on the closed eye with a finger. Not a lot !
I trained originally in Bowen which uses minimal force on certain points / muscles around the body and can be very effective for many people. Some have difficulty in accepting that because there's no dramatic force or pain involved and Bowen therapists rubbish the stupid " no pain no gain " nonsense that some others come out with.
There have been over 200 cases of chito's being taken to court for injuries caused and fatalities have occurred when carrying out a particular move around the neck / base of skull which I believe is no longer recommended.
When I suffered what felt like every muscle in my back pulling at once and extreme pain - similar to sciatica but much worse and running down the back of both legs - I was told by everyone I contacted that nothing could be done other than high risk surgery as I had spinal compression.
The man I mentioned in London offered to see me the following morning when I phoned saying he could help and he did in just a few minutes and I went back down and trained in his techniques which have kept me working and returned my flexibility and got rid of my pain, not literally as my spine is  badly worn in areas

[mark shannon]

Shoulder pain my burden at moment anyone recommend any good excercises?

[mark_roberts]

Robert

email me his details.  Has he a website.  What sort of therapist is he.

mk.roberts@ntlworld.com

thanks
Mark

[mark pritchard]

I have been seeing a osteopath for over 10 years for a bad back from being on the wand all day, i've bought glides for the wand, bought an evalution light weight wand and still the back pain was there. In june this year i came across by chance a network Chiroprator and what a difference it has made, alot of the tension has gone now although not perfect but its so much better. would highly recomend. Its releasing tension by touching certain nerve areas, no hard back cracking stuff.

www.chisuk.org.uk/articles/result.php?key=168

www.associationfornetworkcare.com/whatisnsa.shtml

[benny d]

Don't understand why you had an operation for sciatica which is very easy to deal with in just a few minutes.

TOSH!
I think that is an ingnorant question. If you had felt my pain you would have got to the specialist sooner than I did. I could hardly walk, let alone work!
The operation opened up the nerve canals that go through to the legs. It's in no way perfect, but without it, either I would be in what I consider extreme pain/agony, (different for different people), or I would have topped myself as I couldn't see any future for me.
Thats how bad it can be...

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

I've had sciatica for 6 months now.
I take declofenic 3 times a day which keeps the pain away.

When the pain kicks in, I can't walk from the bedroom to the bathroom for a pee.

I think I've got quite a high pain threshold, but I wouldn't wish sciatica on my worst enemy.

[mark_roberts]

Mark

I didnt read much of those links but from what I did it all seems a bit new age.

What did they actually do.

Thanks
Mark

[benny d]

I wish you well Steve.
You have to have had it to have any idea as to the grim pain that it can cause.

[garybristow]

Robert your condemnation of chiropractors is outrageous,there are millions of people all over the world getting great results inc myself,everyones got a story,i swear by my chiro,to condem all of them and even mention fatalities is cobblers

[robert meldrum]

It's easy enough to verify the truth about chiropractic as it's well documented.

As I said if anyone has been lucky enough to find one who works along more acceptable McTimoney chiropractic way they should find it less aggressive and more bearable than trditional chiropractic which is brutal and potentially damaging.


Benny

I only speak from experience and a fair bit of knowledge including my own experiences with the NHS and a sister who was mis diagnosed over 40 years and received surgery which should never have been done . That was a surgeon's comments when she was correctly diagnosed with a worn hip socket and needing a replacement.

Sciatica is a term for pressure on a nerve or nerves and is easily released. That's why I wonder why you required surgery unless you had another problem unrelated to sciatica.

Don't get upset by a post questioning if you actually needed surgery when thousands are incorrectly diagnosed every year and thousands more fail to get the attention they would receive if they were a footballer or could afford to pay for treatment.

Incidentally if you reckon sciatica is bad - and it is - it's like a slight twitch compared to spinal compression which stays with you 24 hours a day and puts people in wheelchairs . 

I only post with a view to helping  : : :

[Tony Gill Carpet Smart]

Suffered for year with a bad back from Decorating since starting Carpet Cleaning I have found my back is a lot better.

Cheers Tony